Break the Matrix

If one has had jaw surgery, do you think it would be difficult to have NCR afterwards? I'm talking a year or two after, not while you're healing. Obviously you wouldn't want to be doing NCR then.

If you were cut along the suture lines (for the jaw surgery), would it then impede the results that you can achieve from NCR?

ma6 did you get a helmet yet for facepulling?

MA6, hey are you going to ask Invisalign company or a provider regarding anchor points on the aligner?

I'm going to ask Dr Howell or Plato, if invisalign could be used for face pulling if it had anchor points. I want treatment with invisalign because I have an open bite that incisor extrusion with invisalign would probably solve.

The thing is, I also need to bring the maxilla forward and that's what I want to pursue as priority (even with my open bite issue and all)

If you ask invisalign company, pls post here or PM me what they say and I'll let you know what Dr Howell says as well.

I think the hook is attached to the tooth, not the tray. I could be wrong though.

Wow the doc was trying to discourage you. Interesting. I guess you should feel lucky about that. 

Personally, i think if the maxilla can come forward 2-3mm, NOT the incisors, it would be worth it. Orthodontics can achieve about 2mm forward movement by flaring the teeth outwards though, so i do hope that the reverse headgear, which seems to be the new thing, is doing a lot more than that...

I asked an ALF practitioner about the ALF/Crane treatment and he said that the alf appliance needs to make things wider before pulling the maxilla forward with the crane. He said pulling maxilla forward without making the arches wider will have it's own set of problems. I didn't ask what kind of problems he meant at the time but now i'm wondering what kind of problems he is referring to. What kind of problems can there be?

I wonder if its just the alf protocol? (with widening first with the standard alf and then doing braces or a diff appliance to for the crane) or if all face pulling methods need to be done in same fashion. Widen first and then pull forward? Can't it be done at the same time? You'd would assume so right? since plato's website says you should use the palatal expander with your helmet.

Have you consulted with an orthodontist about this and also brought up about headgear? What type of headgear are you interested in? Personally i'm looking towards facemax or the crane or rampa but rampa is not avail in the US as far as i know. It'll be important to find an ortho willing to work with the type of headgear you want. A lot of orthodontists don't want to work with treatments they are not familiar with. 

Hey thanks I'm checking out that site. Are nasal passages and sinuses same thing? I have large sinuses but my nose is small. I do have breathing problems too but my airway is normal size.