Break the Matrix

Hi again,

I just thought I'd give an update on my current situation as I have a few questions for the community.

I've now had 4 series of NCR in the past 12 months but have noticed very little change over that time. After my first series, there was an improvement in my posture and after my third and fourth, the were temporary improvements in my jaw problems. Unfortunately I'm still dealing with them and the tinnitus and my facial asymmetries have not improved at all.

I've recently seen a local dentist regarding the DNA appliance and just had the moulds made for both the upper and lower appliances on Friday. I've been quoted $5000 AUD for the upper and $7000 for both, although I've been told that if I want to get the lower appliance at a later date, it'll cost me the full $5000 again. I decided to just go with the upper appliance but I'm not entirely convinced that I've made the right decision.

Unfortunately there's not a whole lot of information out there regarding the system but I've just read that the upper appliance alone can (according to the theory of epigenetic orthodontics) affect positive change on the lower jaw. $5000 is a huge commitment for me, especially when I've already got good teeth and a relatively wide palate (I can't remember exactly how many millimetres it was but it was in the 30s). I was also informed that I would have to wear a retainer at nights indefinitely in order to prevent relapse but I was under the impression that results at least tend to be permanent.

So what I'd like to know is, has anyone experienced good results (including improvements in the lower teeth/jaw) by just using an upper DNA appliance or Homeoblock?

Also, have you had to wear a retainer following palate expansion in order to prevent relapse?



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Ok, I'm by no means an expert and just trying to shot gun probable cuases here. I don't know what you look like and if you feel that your face/teeth are Ok then they probably are. I never had braces before (I thank my lucky star for this) and most people where surprised to see me in bracers because "My teeth where fine, right?". What they missed is my retruded lower jaw, cross bite, over jet and oberbite. In my case, for myself, it was obvious what had to be done. I went through quite a bit of conventional orthodontist before finally deciding to go abroad to commence treatment with an ALF-dentist. Sured enough, he found my bite to be quite disturbing. Which was a relief seeing as the previous ones just wanted to rip out some teeth and straighten the rest.

Do you have any jae pain? My tinnitus introduced itself at the same time as TMJ-pain reared it's ugly head. Do you brux at night (clench/grind your teeth)? There might be a small discrepancy that caused bruxing which in turn brings on tinnitus.

I remember reading up on tinnitus when I first got it. Back then it was blieved to be caused by damaged nerves in the ear. SOME cases where belived to be caused by muscular imbalances. To me, it's obvious now what's causing my problems. My hope is to recover fully after this treatment and to be able to tell people about it so that they won't have to suffer as I have.

Back on topic. If it's not your teeth then I'd play around with nutrition. If you haven't, get off grains. It's amazing the amount of people who feel so much better without those anti nutrients. At least three of my friends have followed my lead in cutting gluten and have noticed an immence difference in well being and reduction of tummy aches/bloating. I don't care what people say. It's not fit for human consumption in the quantities we stuff ourselves with.

Ok, sorry for the rant. A consultation would be a good idea I think. Unless the practitioner is unethical, you'll know for sure if correction of your bite's needed. Getting of grains may help with the worn/tired look.

I myself am about to begin a peatatarian nutritional approach. I don't think it's a magic bullet but every experiment gives a clue to solving the puzzle.

I don't have any jaw pain as such but more discomfort. It makes a very audible (to other people) clunk on the right side when I open it right up and have my jaw muscles tensed. It also makes a crack (similar to the one you get during NCR but not as load) on the left if I move it after not using it for a while and it also sounds like there's fluid moving around on the right side when I move it. It does sometimes hurt when it's very cold though.

I don't think I grind my teeth in my sleep at all but I think I may have a tendency to clench my jaw sometimes. Oddly, my teeth tend to slightly ache after a hot shower as though I've been clenching them when I haven't. I've often wondered whether or not anyone else experiences this.

As for nutrition, I do avoid grains and gluten especially. I think whether or not one is sensitive it should be avoided especially considering the recent discovery of zonulin by Dr Alessio Fasano and the effect it has on the permeability of the gut and brain in anyone and everyone.

I greatly suspect that my gut issue is SIBO for a number of reasons and will hopefully be sorting out treatment shortly.

The peatatarian approach sounds interesting. Pro sugar and anti O3? I'd be interested to know how it works out.

Sorry for the late reply, and thanks for your response, Ben. I have a few more questions that someone might be able to answer for me. I read in an interview with Dean Howell that in some instances he's noticed patients ears be pulled back slightly with the movement of the bones to which they're attached. Has anyone else noticed this? My ears sort of stick out. They're right on the point of being too big to be able to have short hair (a problem for me) and not big enough to be considered bat-ears or anything. Basically, a few mm would do the trick.

Also, I have pretty deep inset eyes with a lot of black skin around them. It's not puffy black like bags that come and go with sleep etc, it's just purply black skin which makes me wonder if it's a sign of underlying issues or if it's just hereditary. I've also read that this could possibly be at least partially relieved with NCR. Has anyone else noticed this too?

Hi there.

It's been roughly 3 months since I had my first NCR treatment here in Australia and I've got a few questions for those that have had a bit more experience with it than myself. My main complaints were tinnitus, clear facial asymmetries, poor posture and a pretty prominent jaw crack that happens when I fully open my mouth. I believed the issues to be the result of head trauma sustained as a child as I've got a few scars on my forehead, one of which directly follows the line of a shallow dent in my skull.

Anyway, despite being somewhat skeptical of the treatment, I experienced no negative effects whatsoever but the only positive effect has been a noticeable improvement in posture. Don't get me wrong, it was very much a welcomed result but I've not experienced even the mildest of improvements to any of my other symptoms. I was told by my NCR doctor that tinnitus can be a bit hit and miss (I understand that it can also be the result of systemic inflammation) but I was expecting at least some improvement in facial asymmetries as that seems to be NCR's biggest selling point, although I'm sure these things are highly variable from person to person. I probably did approach it with too greater expectations but I do intend to go back for more treatments nonetheless.

So my question is, is this normal and, based on your different experiences, after roughly how many treatments on average should one begin to experience improvements in these other areas?



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