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Can you thumb pull for 8h a day? Doubt it.

Also, it makes you pull in one point, won't this deform the maxilla? You would need uniform forces from all sides, no?

Won't this wreck your jaw and give you TMJ?

My doc agreed with most of what Mew says, but the real question here is about palatal expansion in adults. And it makes total sense that IF your palate plates have FUSED, you will just push your teeth out, which will sort of give you a wider smile, but might as well cause issues and won't give you the jaw expansion you need for aesthetics.

She showed me an actual example how in people who have deformed, uber narrow jaws and are above age of 25 or so they saw the palate in 6 parts basically. Like 6 little blocks. Then they can slowly, with palate expanders completely transform the jaw into anything.

This ortho is also against extractions. She also says that muscles play a big role into shaping of bone tissue.

The thing here you have to understand are the forces in play. You need to exert MORE force on the bone that is being used to holding it together. Can you achieve that just by holding your tongue properly? I'm not sure...

I'd really like to see actual before and afters where adults have achieved significant changes with no braces and no surgery.

I got braces and it improved my bite and my face got more aesthetic, but it was due to braces and bite, not due to change in palate.

"You need braces and surgery!" - RUN! See Orthotropics working on people everywhere of all ages

Both of these are extremely effective in most cases. Especially if you avoid extractions. There are cases of literal subhuman looking creatures transform into models because of double jaw surgery.

Quote from: MaxillaMaximum on April 02, 2017, 05:40:03 am

If you are over age of 20 or so then palate expansion can't work unless you saw the bone open in surgery. The bones have fused at this point. At least that is what my ortho told me. I spoke in detail with her about this.

Don't trust doctors so blindly man. There were some orthodontists which even said what the Mews preach is bullsh*t, which is not, I am not sure if you know about Mew tho, check him out, Orthotropics is the channel in youtube as it was said above. Plus there are photos on the website and just write some keywords in google images

She is not "just a doctor". She is one of the top orthos in my country with a PHD. She has done a lot of research on this and has watched Mew as well. We discussed it and she said it was partly correct and that muscles influence a lot, but once the bone has fused they cut it up in 6 parts and then do palate expansion, because otherwise it will just push the teeth outside without actually widening the bone.

Is this all from keeping tongue on roof of your mouth and proper posture along with regular, daily gum chewing?

I'd love to see some before after pics as proof to that face pulling works, but since the bones FUSE after age of 20 or so, I am not sure it is possible without actual Le Fort II or Le Fort III surgery.