Break the Matrix

Slamo28 thanks for that post, I've been reading about doing the chin tuck but I've literally just been pushing my chin into my neck like when you're  trying to give yourself a double chin so thanks for clearing that up!
Looking at the pictures, in particular the one where the girl has used reverse pull headgear, there's obvious expansion of the palate (presumably as it has been pulled forward for a great amount of time as I'm aware the woman just wore braces with the headgear attached). If you see the original post on facepulling.com, you can see that actually her face as come "up" a bit, and looks like rather than her face being as flat and her chin appearing to sticking out as much the cheekbones stand out more, making the chin seems to stick out less.
Also interested in that Mike Mew regularly talks about the correct lip seal and and that people who close their mouths seem more attractive, but she definitely seems more attractive in the second image where her mouth is open and her top lip comes "up" with the corner of her lips coming down if you understand where I'm coming from?
After seeing the images I'm keen to do facepulling like she has done with a reverse pull mask over a long period of time, but using my palate expander as I don't have braces. I think this may work to my advantage as it means it wont be pulling my teeth forwards but my whole palate instead, and if the theories are correct and as the palate comes forward it expands, perhaps if my palate is pulled forward gradually it will expand also? Or maybe I can expand and pull at the same time gradually. My main worry is that my face is not symmetrical, as my palate is too small and is dropped and set back on one side. Any thoughts?

I think the increased attractiveness is despite her open lips rather than because of them. The expanded palate is what makes her more attractive. People with a narrow palate and lip incompetence tend to look like Napoleon Dynamite. Megan Fox tends to part her lips a lot in pictures but she looks more sensual rather than a mouthbreather when she does it because of her excellent midface structure and palate.

The thing here you have to understand are the forces in play. You need to exert MORE force on the bone that is being used to holding it together. Can you achieve that just by holding your tongue properly? I'm not sure...

I think it's a little more complicated. We're not trying to use our tongue to tear apart the sutures by brute force. We're using it to send a mechanical signal long term to hopefully induce bone remodeling. According to wolff's law, mechanical forces in long duration applied to a bone turns into a mechanical stress into a bio-chemical signal that stimulates osteoclasts to remove bone in certain directions and osteoblasts to build bone in others.

A tumor is a soft mass that pushes lightly, but if its pushing on bone constantly, it will remodel the bone radically over time. It's not really that it's exerting such high forces that the bones are torn out of the way by brute force, but that the cells can detect mechanical signals and adapt to them.

I'd really like to see actual before and afters where adults have achieved significant changes with no braces and no surgery.

http://breakthematrix.createaforum.com/therapies/profile-before-and-after/

This ortho is also against extractions. She also says that muscles play a big role into shaping of bone tissue.

Yeah. Exactly.

You seriously look way different in profile in these pics than what I recall you looking in your old pics from a few months back. Do you still have those pictures?

Well I can't tell how the symmetry of your face was effected because you only show one side. Your jawline does look a little sharper though where as before the line is rounder / smoother.

Wow. Looks like Your mandible actually changed itself from the one on the right to the one on the left in response to your maxilla coming forward instead of just swinging up with the same shape.

In my opinion this is the only way to really get sufficient force to the maxilla. The more you practice this the stronger your tongue and the muscles at the front of your neck will get to offset added pressure to the teeth.

A few months ago I had the epiphany that when I'm tucking my chin back this is actually closer to the orientation my head is supposed to be in. When I tuck my chin, it straightens out my whole neck and spine and causes my tongue to jam into my palate due to lack of space. I realized the reason I always used to slouch was because the center of gravity of my head was too far in front of my spine due to forward head posture. Thereason my jaw tucks into my throat so much when I do this posture is because of how far down my maxilla is dropped and how much my mandible rotated back. If angelina jolie or natalie portman did a chin tuck, their jaws would still stick straight out at a 90 degree angle. So far I've noticed significant closure of my open bite, also I used to barely be able to breathe while tucking my chin in but now I can which tells me there was some adaptation.

I find it useful to occasionally put my hand on the back of my head and gently pull upward, while holding an inhalation plaster your tongue on the palate and push while engaging the front of the neck. Then when you release the breath it feels very relaxing and good.

Interesting site.

http://www.facepulling.com/adult-maxillary-protraction-a-case-study/



Holy crap. Since I'm already pretty much a hermit I'd consider wearing a thing on my face 24/7.

According to Mew bones resist high intensity, short duration forces but warp and move easily in response to long gentle forces. Which would make sense because otherwise people that regularly do activities like weight lifting and high impact sports like boxing would have deformed bodies after a while.

Meanwhile a tumorous growth slowly pushing on the skull can do this to it:


I wouldn't mix up the short and long periods as an experiment because then it'll just become unclear if the 30 minute duration is effective.