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Posted by: Ryan
« on: July 31, 2017, 05:42:36 am »

That's a huge progress Jamo!  Indeed the first total transformation, based on what i've seen in the pictures. I wondered if there's any reason you particularly made the eyes on the 'before'invisible? Is this because otherwise people you know can find this pictures back, or does it have another reason?

The thing is I'm really curious to see the difference in eye area in these pics. I remember from other pics, I've seen of you in the past, that your eyes have become much more hooded.
Posted by: Progress
« on: July 14, 2017, 03:34:02 am »

Quote from: jamo716 on July 13, 2017, 07:22:05 pm

Absolutely. Very eloquently put.

I actually do that exact skull rotation.
Cheers. The movement in question seems to strengthen the occipital muscles too. I usually wake up with stiff forward head posture that opens up as the day progressess. So far I had not been able to avoid the stiffness no matter how much I stretched during the day. I could have the perfect range of motion in the evening and still wake up stiff.

However, after exercising the occipital muscles last evening, today I woke up with great range of motion in the neck and the rest of the body. I was able to stand straight right out of the bed. This has further convinced me of the grander importance of strengthening the weak & lengthened muscles instead of lengthening the strong & shortened muscles in imbalanced muscle groups. A muscle can stiffen overnight, but not weaken. Atrophy/weakening takes far longer than that. When both the muscle and its "countermuscle" have good muscle tone, they won't allow each other to shorten much during the night.

Quote from: MeltedFace on July 13, 2017, 09:49:56 pm
Do you guys feel ornkjow what is good and bad feelings? I feel when doing that pressure beneath or between my eyes - is this okay?

Due to our unique situations, it's a question you have to ask your body, not us. Do you like the sensation? Or do you hate it? Of course, it's not always this black and white, but with a little practice you will be able to listen to your intuition in order to make use of the more subtle bodily signals you usually ignore.

Also, it's not like you get direct and straight "answers" from the body. You have to force the answer out by making yourself to decide whether or not you like a sensation. Allow yourself to only answer 100% yes or 100% no. There's no middle ground. By practicing in this way, it will become easier and easier to judge whether something is an overall beneficial or harmful thing for the body. You will become able to recognize whether the body accepts or rejects a certain food ingredient for example. If you're really deficient in calcium, munching egg shells can feel almost pleasurable due to it being mostly calcium carbonate. It doesn't necessarily taste incredible, but you will feel a subtle urge to continue. It's similar to how pregnant women can crave for weird "foods" like chalk or mud. In that case the urge is just so strong that it's harder to accidentally ignore.

I would have dismissed this kind of talk as some kind of hippie bullshit a couple of years ago, but recently I've begun to really appreciate the potential benefits of increased intuitive awareness of the body.
Posted by: MeltedFace
« on: July 13, 2017, 09:49:56 pm »

Do you guys feel ornkjow what is good and bad feelings? I feel when doing that pressure beneath or between my eyes - is this okay?
Posted by: jamo716
« on: July 13, 2017, 07:22:05 pm »

Quote from: Progress on July 13, 2017, 03:45:03 pm
By the way, seeing as how you brought up the mind muscle connection earlier: have you noticed there to be particular ways of pushing with the tongue that the nervous system seems to crave?

At the moment for example, I'm mewing while pushing & rotating the skull forward and upward away from the neck in a way that tilts the posterior palate towards the posterior tongue. This feels really satisfying around soft palate, posterior tongue and anterior neck area, kind of like quenching thirst with a glass of cold water.

In this way, it's almost as if the body is actively encouraging me to guide my efforts towards the direction into which it wants the pressure to be generated, instead of forcing the conscious mind to make a guess. It becomes a matter of playing around with various ways of applying pressure and being ready to listen to what the nervous system prefers. Can you relate to what I'm trying to imply?

Absolutely. Very eloquently put.

I actually do that exact skull rotation.
Posted by: Progress
« on: July 13, 2017, 03:45:03 pm »

By the way, seeing as how you brought up the mind muscle connection earlier: have you noticed there to be particular ways of pushing with the tongue that the nervous system seems to crave?

At the moment for example, I'm mewing while pushing & rotating the skull forward and upward away from the neck in a way that tilts the posterior palate towards the posterior tongue. This feels really satisfying around soft palate, posterior tongue and anterior neck area, kind of like quenching thirst with a glass of cold water.

In this way, it's almost as if the body is actively encouraging me to guide my efforts towards the direction into which it wants the pressure to be generated, instead of forcing the conscious mind to make a guess. It becomes a matter of playing around with various ways of applying pressure and being ready to listen to what the nervous system prefers. Can you relate to what I'm trying to imply?
Posted by: jamo716
« on: July 12, 2017, 07:58:42 pm »

Quote from: posmo on July 12, 2017, 06:33:11 pm
seems like for most people who have had improper oral posture for a long time, a myobrace is essential to retrain the posture? would you agree?

also, which brace do you recommend?

it's not necessary honestly. the myobrace forces your tongue into the right place so it just expedites the process, but i believe you can learn it on your own.

i think i used a medium hardness a2 something or other. idk. it's only purpose was to train my tongue so i don't really care for it's rigidity or whatever else. in hindsight, id go for the softest one since im not using it for tooth alignment.
Posted by: posmo
« on: July 12, 2017, 06:33:11 pm »

seems like for most people who have had improper oral posture for a long time, a myobrace is essential to retrain the posture? would you agree?

also, which brace do you recommend?
Posted by: jamo716
« on: July 12, 2017, 04:21:14 pm »

Quote from: anarqwin on July 12, 2017, 02:08:29 pm
jamo716,

Thank you for all the infos so far.
How do you maintain perfect posture and pressure over night? Any tips? Also, do you sleep on your back, side or stomach?

My pleasure.

I really found chewing before bed and strengthening those facial muscles assists in nighttime maintenance. I used a myobrace appliance for 1 month, 1 year ago in order to fully train my tongue to stay up over night. I didn't need it past the single month and frankly, it was confining my palate much more than I liked.

I sleep on my stomach, sadly. My head is obviously on its side. I make an effort to switch sides but prefer the left side. I Mackenzie tuck for the duration of the night and often use my arm/hand to sort of hold the tuck. When I wake up, my palate is sore like when I had braces. Nighttime is a critical element to get right, if you wish to see changes.
Posted by: jamo716
« on: July 12, 2017, 04:17:45 pm »

Quote from: TheGreatWork on July 12, 2017, 01:55:34 pm
Awesome work, thanks for the update! Your account was one of the things that got me into mewing in the first place and believing it

Have you had any teeth extractions or dental work done? I've felt the bones change (and breathing drastically improve) with mewing, but I think I may get the ALF appliance because I don't think the bone wants to grow with no teeth to fill the gaps.

How about when sleeping, do you wake up with your tongue up there?

All four wisdom teeth have been removed unfortunately.

Yes, as I mention above, waking up is often when I am mewing the hardest.
Posted by: TheGreatWork
« on: July 12, 2017, 01:55:34 pm »

Awesome work, thanks for the update! Your account was one of the things that got me into mewing in the first place and believing it

Have you had any teeth extractions or dental work done? I've felt the bones change (and breathing drastically improve) with mewing, but I think I may get the ALF appliance because I don't think the bone wants to grow with no teeth to fill the gaps.

How about when sleeping, do you wake up with your tongue up there?
Posted by: jamo716
« on: July 12, 2017, 12:57:52 pm »

I really must stress that this is something that must be focused on all day. Every waking minute I am concentrating on shifting my facial bones; visualizing the changes. You have to want it. You have to NEED it. Have faith in the method.

There is nothing better than waking up in the morning, having trained yourself to maintain perfect posture and pressure over night, feeling your midface shift on demand as you alter tongue pressure. You will feel your sinus cavity expand. Extra air will enter it. Absolute bliss.

Fight for it.
Posted by: Progress
« on: July 12, 2017, 12:28:50 pm »

Well of course, it's a muscle.
Posted by: z0nt0n3r
« on: July 12, 2017, 12:14:36 pm »

i think my tongue would get tired if i was constantly pushing hard but i will give it a try
Posted by: Progress
« on: July 12, 2017, 11:51:53 am »

Quote from: z0nt0n3r on July 12, 2017, 11:00:22 am
great progress dude!but i've heard that if you push hard the bones will resist the change.many recommend pushing more lightly with the tongue

I think hard short bursts of intense force are what the bones are built to resist, not static and sustained force. It's debatable whether the tongue is even capable of generating what could be viewed as hard pressure in this context. Just one finger can easily overpower the upwards motion of the tongue. Give it a try. Place your little finger on top of your medial / posterior tongue and try to keep the tongue away from the palate. It's not even hard.

Based on OP's results, I would be comfortable with suggesting to push as hard as you want.
Posted by: z0nt0n3r
« on: July 12, 2017, 11:00:22 am »

great progress dude!but i've heard that if you push hard the bones will resist the change.many recommend pushing more lightly with the tongue