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Posted by: berkeley07
« on: December 01, 2016, 01:57:42 pm »

Okay guys, so I just took off my braces... and boy is my smile **** ****!
I have a creepy **** tier smile because of my thin palate and poor width of my teeth... could I wear a strong palate expander while to fix this problem or would the thingy on the inside of my teeth make this useless?
Posted by: Alnic22
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:28:33 pm »

Progress

The posterior is very important bt will not produce the upwards force needed until the entire tongue is housed where its supposed to be and it starts with the tip tuckd in n behind the ridge/bump half inch behind front teeth, like u say the rest jus follows up n in this position it produces the required forces to alter your maxilla to where it should be, if looked on from a side view it makes perfect sense as the hard/soft palate looks concave shaped n the tongue kind of hill shaped perfectly designed to fit in this concave shape, done this way the tongue tip is no where near the front teeth and it feels odd first month or so but thats because almost nobody has normal tongue posture, hence modern melting faces and attractice faces seem rare.
Posted by: Progress
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:09:09 pm »

Quote from: Alnic22 on November 30, 2016, 02:22:10 pm
The tongue tip should be at least half to 3/4 of an inch behind your front teeth tucked in behind and pressed agaisnt ridge ( the bump/hill part of the palate ) so that the rest of the tongue flattens completely over the hard/soft palate respectively, this isnt easy n feels odd and ive been doin it wrong for ages myself bt once its mastered your maxilla alters within months as it would from an expander.

Same. I had been focusing too much on posterior tongue and soft palate (I had read this was important) and didn't start getting results until I started pushing more with the anterior tongue. When done correctly the posterior tongue will rise up nevertheless, but it will result in a bit different function and sensation when its only assisting the front tongue instead of generating the main force against your palate.
Posted by: Alnic22
« on: November 30, 2016, 02:22:10 pm »

Betterbytheday

You are correct about the mewing, a palatal expander especially a non rapid one is pointless once you have mastered the correct tongue to palate posture since they do the same thing.
A palatal expander pressed up on the hard palate slightly pushing on the teeth is exactly to the letter what the tongue does once its in the correct position, there are tons of people even now who mew bt arent getting the results they want and the reason being is simply because there tongue is not in the right position even when they think it is.
The tongue tip should be at least half to 3/4 of an inch behind your front teeth tucked in behind and pressed agaisnt ridge ( the bump/hill part of the palate ) so that the rest of the tongue flattens completely over the hard/soft palate respectively, this isnt easy n feels odd and ive been doin it wrong for ages myself bt once its mastered your maxilla alters within months as it would from an expander.
Posted by: berkeley07
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:38:29 pm »

Quote from: Betterbytheday on November 30, 2016, 12:20:51 pm
I really wouldn't recommend it. You've had great changes just mewing so that's brilliant. slow pressure always wins. If you expand rapidly with the expander you risk tipping your teeth and worst case scenario detaching your upper jaw completely from your palate so you will widen your palate but not your upper jaw and trust me you dont want that Flat cheekbones wide palate no no no. Your getting good noticeable change why risk that to mess your oral posture and your beautiful teeth. Palatal expanders are for people with narrow palates who cant fit their tongue their and have trouble with getting that oral posture, you've got it already! you dont need anything else. If you try to maintain that tongue to palate posture throughout the day as much as possible you'll naturally do it at night. Also a bit of mouth tape on your lips at night wont hurt.

Well, actually, when I do mew the edges of my tongue do touch the teeth quite a lot... not sure if that's normal however, but the tongue doesn't fit neatly and perfectly like I feel it should do. My jaw is quite wide and defined actually, I chewed a lot of gum as a kid so I think that's why (and I still do, that being said my jaw is lopsided due to teeth grinding on my left side of the face). I'd like to widen my face since my face is way too thin, I'm quite young so results should definitely be possible.

I also use mouth tape on my lips every night, so far so good.
Posted by: Betterbytheday
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:20:51 pm »

I really wouldn't recommend it. You've had great changes just mewing so that's brilliant. slow pressure always wins. If you expand rapidly with the expander you risk tipping your teeth and worst case scenario detaching your upper jaw completely from your palate so you will widen your palate but not your upper jaw and trust me you dont want that! Flat cheekbones wide palate no no no. Your getting good noticeable change why risk that to mess your oral posture and your beautiful teeth. Palatal expanders are for people with narrow palates who cant fit their tongue their and have trouble with getting that oral posture, you've got it already! you dont need anything else. If you try to maintain that tongue to palate posture throughout the day as much as possible you'll naturally do it at night. Also a bit of mouth tape on your lips at night wont hurt.
Posted by: berkeley07
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:08:37 pm »

Quote from: Betterbytheday on November 30, 2016, 12:03:35 pm
Dont bother buying a palatal expander! Your tongue is a natural palatal expander use that. Your teeth are probably perfectly straight already and nicely aligned  :) Try to keep good oral posture especially at night and you'll some nice gradual change

That's my guess. I have been "mewing" and keeping my tongue on the top of my mouth, and I have definitely seen some positive changes - now whether these are applicable to puberty or whatever is debatable... But since I started doing it six months ago, my face has changed radically for the better, people have started commenting on my prominent cheekbones now and hollow cheeks - I also feel more attractive but it could be a placebo.
However wouldn't a palate expander work more efficiently and stronger than the tongue? If I could find one for a good price especially for when I sleep (because I don't use enough pressure in tongue when I sleep) that'd be great.
Posted by: Betterbytheday
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:03:35 pm »

Dont bother buying a palatal expander! Your tongue is a natural palatal expander use that. Your teeth are probably perfectly straight already and nicely aligned  :) Try to keep good oral posture especially at night and you'll some nice gradual change
Posted by: berkeley07
« on: November 30, 2016, 11:42:19 am »

Hey guys! I'm new to NCR but have been interested in the subject for a long time, but I am finally getting into it.
I want to get a palate expander to get a wider face, as I have the "long head" syndrome and a poor face width/height ratio (fWHR).
I have a few questions:
1. (Title) Can I start my palate expansions after getting my braces off? I am finally getting my braces off, which I've worn for two years now, but I've heard you need to wear braces AFTER palate expansion - I'm just not to keen on getting braces AGAIN after getting them off.
2. Could I wear a palate expander only at night or something similar to get the best results, like the ones from myobrace? Also, how would one go about "mewing" on a palate expander?
3. I don't have a lot of money. Can I get a palate expander cheap online (preferably only something to wear at night) or do I need to pay thousands for a dentist? I could go to the free dentist in my country but I seriously doubt they'll give me a palate expander for cosmetic reasons alone, as I am already "finished" with my treatment from braces.
4. I have a very asymmetric face, probably due to teeth grinding and chewing on one side. My right side has a weak jaw but hollow cheeks and the reverse for my left side, I have also found that my teeth on my left side of the face are very short (due to grinding). Should I visit an orthodontist to shorten my teeth to get a better bite?


A lot of question, but thanks anyways... What I am mainly looking for is a beginner guide, I need to get a wider face overall and a more forward grown maxilla, but definitely mostly the first one.