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Posted by: Improvement
« on: August 07, 2016, 11:33:33 am »

what MJON said, changes will revert only if you don't fix the root problem first.
Posted by: MJON
« on: August 07, 2016, 11:23:04 am »

Vardy, I've noticed that if I don't do NCR or face pulling for a while that I seem to regress. However this could be a placebo sort of thing- I think I haven't treated for a while so I will look worse, and I analyse with that in mind.
Make sure you take photographs constantly to mark changes objectively.
Also, I had a brain wave the other day- we have these problems because over time our faces have developed that way. They must have developed that way for a reason- bad posture, incorrect swallowing, etc. so even if we do NCR or use a palate expander, it's not sorting why our faces developed that way in the first place.
It's like alleviating the symptom without fixing the problem.
Posted by: reenochrobinson
« on: August 05, 2016, 06:42:40 am »

Hi Vardy, I'm relatively new to this process, so I cannot offer any informed assessment of the durability of results. That being said, any visible changes I have observed have been far more subtle than what you describe, so their regression would also be pretty subtle. You seem to suggest that NCR is somehow creating a divergence along the sutures to the point that your head enlarges and stretches your skin before eventually coming back together, and you are asking about how to maintain such a separation. As I understand it, we are only trying to loosen the connective tissue to allow shifts parallel to the suture lines rather than perpendicular separation as you describe. Ideally, the volume of your head shouldn't be changing so much as just rearranging the shape. As "Nobody" says above, these changes could be maintained or enhanced by proper posture (body, head, tongue, etc.), but are likely to revert if the resting position of surrounding muscles pull the bone structure back to the original position. The expansion from the NCR treatment isn't adjusting the shape of your head so much as it is just loosening the sutures to allow for release of existing tension and for mewing, chewing, posture, etc., to realign the bones in a preferable position.
Posted by: Vardy
« on: August 04, 2016, 08:00:47 pm »

Thanks for the input nobody. I do agree with everything you said, muscular and skeletal posture surely plays a large role in this whole game.

 I mentioned stretching of the skin in which I have unfortunately experienced. For myself this is probably my main concern with ncr (albeit an aesthetic concern) but I am quite young and my skin has aged considerably since starting. While I do think correct posture will aid in holding the jaws in their ideal position, I don't think it can maintain the expansion you get in the rest of the skull.

This expansion isn't just in your' frontal face as we know, but around the circumference of your head. Theres only one way I can see permanence in change after the ncr inflations. That being for bone to grow and fill in between the sutures while they're opened and before they close.

Anyone else had a similar experience with skin and not being consistent with treatment? It may be just in my case, as I have quite a narrow skull that seems maluable to change... One extreme to the other, wide face to thin recurring, vice versa
Posted by: nobody
« on: August 03, 2016, 07:38:37 pm »

The body can't, of course, avoid automatically degrading to the level where its support begins.


You need to open your whole musculature in order to be able to maintain the body in a posture that supports the maxilla. Do the mckenzie tuck all day long until your neck can be held high in a position that pushes the mandible along with tongue towards maxilla automatically.If you sit alot, you probably need to stretch your hips and legs a lot too, since all your muscles from the upper end of neck down to toes are connected together

Once you're agile enough to comfortably stand straight and tall, your overall head angle will be so downwards that jaws will naturally be pushed against the neck muscles and so they stay shut and maintain the progress you make for the rest of your life.
Posted by: Vardy
« on: August 02, 2016, 11:40:37 pm »

Just thought I'd touch on the topic of ncr progress, specifically long term results. As we're all aware it's quite easy to obtain rapid expansion and manipulation of the skullbones once you've got the hang of self treatment. But after the sutures close back up the widening does subside.. At least for myself. In my case I've had great success in achieving expansion and forward movement in the cheek zygomatic area, as well as gaining noticeable symmetry to the eyes and nose too.

But as I mentioned I find my skull will crush back towards its original mal developed shape and if there are permanent changes compounding, they're hardly noticeable if not non existent imo.

There are positives to the treatment no doubt. But I wish I was forewarned about the necessity of frequent inflations to maintain the change. For me personally, I find the toll of stretching the skin on my face and unpredictability of results too much of a burden to inflate forever.

I wonder if this is a reason many original forum members went quiet? Anyway would love it if experienced cranial manipulators chimed in with their 2 cents.