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Posted by: therealadam
« on: January 08, 2017, 11:52:29 am »

You're welcome, MJON. I'm starting with my removable palate expander and facepulling/NCR pretty soon.
I'll keep you guys updated and I'll see how many turns works with me. Interesting how you're turning the screws very slowly. Honestly, I'll probably be doing the same thing: I know I'll be expanding pretty slowly.

Keep us updated with the results  8) !
Posted by: MJON
« on: December 28, 2016, 11:35:47 am »

therealadam thanks for that information, I've been wearing it over night and only turning it once a week, but I still think I am going to fast by turning it too much and will slow it down.

I'm treating it similar to the DNA appliance, which is supposed to be worn 16 hours a day. Many people achieve efficient results with this and that's without 24 hour wear, so I'm now trying to wear it overnight and for a few hours throughout the day to speed up the process.

Still hoping to have ALF in the near future but with also be wearing a removable palate expander for the time being so I can start facepulling.
Posted by: therealadam
« on: December 22, 2016, 03:40:12 am »

MJON, about the screws and the amount of expansion you want,  a doctor said here: https://www.realself.com/question/removable-palate-exapanders-effective-fixed, " The key is to have physiologic expansion with a removable appliance putting pressure to the roof of the mouth, not the teeth and using no more than 2-3 activations (1/4 mm each) per week.  "

also can you guys share some resources for self-ncr? I bought the plate expander and I'll be using it with face pulling and hopefully, self-ncr.
Posted by: MJON
« on: November 06, 2016, 04:35:45 pm »

Doumi- I don't necessarily think it's size as I know a few people with small round heads, but you can just tell their face has developed properly and everything is in the right place. That's why I think it's crucial to focus on this in the development stage in children the more we learn; I think once a face has grown long and a nose has lengthened it's much harder to shorten, rather than just keep the face growing forward and therefore short whilst it develops. I agree with you that it's definitely easier to widen a jaw, enough people have proved that now, let's just hope there's more proof of forward growth too!
As for the retainer, I didn't have any of those sort of problems, and I like in the Uk. The whole process was quite smooth, communication was good considering the language barrier, and the final product is outstanding!
Allnicc12- seems we are very much on the same page! I'll be using the retainer I bought from the German website as it fits very well and has hooks. As for finding a dentist I haven't even started looking as I don't have the money, but I'm shocked you've found one that offers it for £1000- minimum I have found so far from reviews is £6000! Where is the dentist who has offered you that if you don't mind me asking? Definitely agree mewing works even if it's very slow, I think it's vital even just to prevent things from getting worse.
Posted by: Allnicc12
« on: November 04, 2016, 08:22:51 am »

Hi MJON, i am also currently trying to build that hockey helmet facepulling helmet but stuck on which retainer to get since i dont use them, they sell them on the site u provided the link to so ill have a pick, ALF is also something am looking at and ive spoke to one dentists who refused to give me one because apparently it does widen arches in adults! obviously we know it does or it should so u really need to find a dentist that subscribes to the notion that bone forms in adults as well as children otherwise they wont give it, am making appt with another dentist who provides it and ive been qouted bout a grand in total for it, self NCR and mewing ( which does wrk btw ) which am quite good at now and building platos helmet is what ill do for now til i manage to get the ALF Appliance
Posted by: Doumi
« on: November 04, 2016, 06:56:11 am »

Thank you for your answer!

Yes, wider face is always a good thing. I actually think that the width of the face/skull is the most important factor in the terms of beauty. If someone's maxilla is down and back, but is wide enough, the person can still have a beautiful face I believe. It's also much easier to widen the jaw than to move up or forward.

I suppose I should wait with the impressions then. I don't want to spend so much money on this if it might not be done correctly just because of my impatience.

I'm also a bit confused why do they require VAT registration number for people living in EU countries when the VAT is already included in the price and the braces aren't sold for medical purposes anyway? Why does an European have to be an entrepreneur or own a company to be able to order from their shop? It makes it a bit difficult for me to get the bracces now. Can I ask, in the case you live in EU, how did you handle this? Have you ordered on someone else's name?
Posted by: MJON
« on: November 04, 2016, 06:26:37 am »

Doumi, I've put treatment on hold because I'm in uni now. Having said that, I recently had a passport picture taken, and the difference between this year and last year is quite noticeable (as my boyfriend said "your face has gotten wider", and we know that's a good thing!). So yes there's improvement just not as rapid as I hoped, but I suppose it tools years for my skull to get like this so it could take years for it to be corrected without proper professional intervention.
I'm planning on saving up for ALF treatment as I think this is most suitable for me, but in the mean time start NCR again (it doesn't cost much and there's no harm in trying until then). As far face pulling, I'm planning on starting that when I have a helmet that 100% is doing the right function, as I think it's that part that can do more harm than good if done incorrectly. Check out facepulling.com for the design- I will be using my palate expander for this.
I don't think it's wise to do the impressions with braces as they will most definitely show up and alter the end product. Also I started using the palate expander, but because I didn't have a set routine I struggled to know when I was improving, so stopped for now. I definitely feel like my jaw is tightening up very slowly, so I think whilst we have treatment we all need to look at the cause rather than just a cure, be it getting a tongue tie fixed or myofunctional therapy.
Posted by: Doumi
« on: November 03, 2016, 03:42:11 pm »

Hello, may I ask how is your progress MJON?

I too am interested in buying the upper plate from the German eshop. I think, since it's a JAW plate, not a palatal expander, it could possibly expand the whole upper jaw and thus make the WHOLE HEAD bigger. That would make a ton of difference in looks.

I'm a bit uncertain though, I currently have fixed braces, which are supposed to get off within few months. I would like to get it made sooner than that, due to the lenght of processing time. Do you think it would be possible to make impressions while wearing braces? I watched the instructational video and I'm not sure - does the mass harden completely during the 5 minutes in mouth, or is it the water that makes it tough?
Posted by: Allnicc12
« on: August 08, 2016, 11:40:45 pm »

MJON, only answer i think to that wouldve been tongue posture etc whilst growing up in particular around 4 or 5 yrs old, i was always getting told by my parents to eat with my mouth closed etc from a very early age and as such my mouth remained closed anyway, my intermolar width of upper arch is 41mm which is fine width wise bt am after more forward projection which pulling and self ncr will help with, i dont think tooth extractions are the be all and end all though of arch width since youve had no extractions and 33mm whereas ive had 2 extractions, 1 wisdom n 2nd molar on right bottom and am still 41mm top and 33 bottom, reason i believe it hasnt been effected much is because my posture is good and always has been from early age, ALF and Damon i think will benefit you as will ncr will, you wont revert back in width from ncr or from extractions longs your posture n function is good including the back of the tongue agaisnt pallett
Posted by: MJON
« on: August 08, 2016, 03:08:53 pm »

Thanks for your reply Allnicc12, I havent been doing it recently but I'm going to get back to it. I haven't read up on the homeoblock but I know with ALF the few people who have used it have had good results, http://www.archwired.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=38460&start=15 someone on the link says their mouth expand from 30mm to 43 mm. I think yes myofunctional changes will work but it's good to have an appliance to make those changes faster, then the oral posture changes to maintain them.
What i don't understand is that my molar width is roughly 33mm. How can it be so small when I haven't had any extractions?
Posted by: Allnicc12
« on: August 08, 2016, 01:18:07 pm »

Hi, well the self ncr is working for me, i heard cracks and slight thuds the other night and so now letting my face and sutures rest up, being honest i was going to buy the Homeoblock bt was told by 2 practioners of it not to waste your monies as they didnt rate it at all, your face will change for the better simply from myofunctional practices ie mewing n tongue on the roof bt these changes occur over years and not months on adults bt will change, speeded up i believe by pulling and ncr bt even without pulling and ncr these changes will happen from mewing albeit very very slowly.
Posted by: MJON
« on: August 07, 2016, 03:20:25 pm »

I can understand, I'm a student so it's highly unlikely I will be able to afford it! I feel the same way and it's so frustrating, as I know what needs to be done I just don't have the money to do it. I keep looking at my own photographic evidence and the results of others (e.g CPs blog) and that encourages me to think positively, knowing that there can be improvements.
Yes I definitely think it will help, just remember to combine it with something that treats the cause also (like myofunctional therapy). I will definitely be having professional treatment when I'm older, but perhaps the expander I've bought will be useful in the meantime or even when I start professional treatment.
Posted by: QuantumLookMaxer
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:18:10 pm »

Cool, thanks for the advice. I'm weary and resistant about putting my money towards practitioners too. The possibility of throwing $4,000 down the drain would be a very tough pill for me to swallow. However, this self-treatment thing hasn't been working out as well as I'd hoped it would (i'm dealing with sleep apnea type symptoms). Hopefully, homeoblock with a good practitioner will help though.
Posted by: MJON
« on: August 06, 2016, 08:19:21 am »

QuantumLookMaxer, I think if you can afford it, definitely. After experimenting with self treatment, I would like to change what I said about it being better than paying more for professional treatment; in my situation it is better as it is currently more than I can afford. But with the professional option, even though in some cases I think the patient has done more researching, I think they have the experience that we as individuals lack. So yes I think if you have the chance go with the homeoblock- it has proven results.
I suppose you could get the best of both worlds by buying the palate expander online and meeting with a professional though.
Posted by: QuantumLookMaxer
« on: August 05, 2016, 11:47:53 am »

wow that palate expander is amazing. I think I'm about to go with homeoblock though. You guys think its worth the 10-15x price over the online order palate expander?