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Posted by: PSLislife
« on: September 14, 2016, 02:51:40 pm »

This is false though, I believe. The opposite reaction isn't on your palate or maxilla but on your tongue. Your tongue is getting the brunt of the force via the opposite reaction to you pushing up against the palate with your tongue
Posted by: cyan
« on: September 14, 2016, 08:44:11 am »

so push hard downwards and backwards = face grows upwards and forwards?
Posted by: PSLislife
« on: September 13, 2016, 08:43:06 pm »

So I'm guessing this is the same for your tongue? Meaning Newtons Third Law of motion isn't harmful when pushing up with your tongue
Posted by: W
« on: July 02, 2016, 06:36:31 am »

Will do.  And thank you for your encouraging words :)
Posted by: Improvement
« on: July 02, 2016, 05:36:19 am »

Yes, things look really different when you put a keen eye on them

Keep your thread updated with results of your face pulling if you can :), that way people may have a clue on what is working and what is not

It's awesome that you're considering NCR, I give you my word that it truly works, is not a miracle as some people make it look but after some time it shows results.

Also, remember that this is not a race, everything that is worth of being proud of it is not easy to obtain. Keep your focus and determination, life will provide what you're asking for, give it time.
Posted by: W
« on: July 02, 2016, 04:10:59 am »

You're right.  It probably is my perception because I'm paying more attention to things that didn't bother me, before.  Now that I'm trying to make changes, I'm taking notice of every little thing.  For example, I didn't realise that my head posture, when looking in the mirror, is rarely straight on.  Either, my head is tilted back/eyes down, or it's tilted forward/eyes up. Now, I'm noticing how my eyes look with the correct posture.

That said, the sclera isn't terrible.  Not at all.  In fact, someone would only notice if they're really close up.  But, because I'm aware that there isn't supposed to be any at all, I'm more picky about it, I guess....

I've re-started face pulling, but more gently this time.  Think my face looks a tad fuller?  But, other times, I think I'm imagining it!  Not sure what the feelings are above my eyes... Perhaps the pulling is doing something to my sinuses.

Will proceed with caution from now on, just in case it's not helping, as you say.  But, if things improve, I wouldn't rule out some self-NCR in the future, if I can learn how to do it. 
Posted by: Improvement
« on: July 01, 2016, 05:05:35 pm »

I recommend you to take photos every week.

If you're serious about this you should avoid measuring changes with your own perception which could not be accurate all the time; your mind can mislead you, or a placebo effect can take place. When you're under this kind of procedure in which your appearance can be messed or fixed you want to be completely sure that you're going to the right place

By taking photos, you evade the danger of realizing too late that you were undergoing an unbeneficial treatment

I cannot give you a word on what happened because I don't believe in short-hard forces to remodel bones. I think that your neck received too much stress, and now it's tilting your head down
Posted by: W
« on: July 01, 2016, 08:24:36 am »

Well, that's one thing less to worry about! Thanks @Improvement

Last week, I tried face pulling for the first time, by clenching my molars down on the middle of a ribbon, and pulling the ends, up.  I've been worried ever since.  Firstly, because I felt aches in my forehead and the area just above my eyebrows. (I'm female, so I don't want a thickened ridge above my brows!). No feelings in my cheekbones, either.

Secondly, I've now got a tiny bit of sclera showing under the right iris. (Got a little under my left iris, but it's been like that for years, and has remained unchanged).  I don't think my face has lengthened-looks much the same.  Plus, on another thread, it was suggested that, maybe my head posture had improved, but my maxilla has yet to swing up.

But, I've been scared that I damaged myself; that the face pulling is doing something to the top of my skull (which is narrow), or even, that it was rotating my maxilla the wrong way, somehow!  I had to be awkward..
Posted by: Gucci Gang
« on: July 01, 2016, 07:59:31 am »

Lmfao, ive been pushing hard and upward for months, ****, no wonder i have gigangtic bags and holes under my eyes just in the last months
Posted by: Improvement
« on: July 01, 2016, 07:22:49 am »

No, your teeth will not retrude, you don't have to worry about that.

Take this as an example:


Your teeth will only HOLD their place until you provide a force enough to move them, they will not move backward
Posted by: W
« on: July 01, 2016, 06:37:16 am »

Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for clearing that up! So, it doesn't matter if my teeth are in contact or not, when I'm face pulling.  But will the interaction with the device, cause the upper teeth to retrude? I'm a bit worried about this, especially as I have a 'tongue-between-molars' posture due to lack of space, and I tend to mouth breathe when I'm asleep...
Posted by: Improvement
« on: July 01, 2016, 04:20:04 am »

It's true for the tongue because it's placed between both the maxilla and the jaw

Third law of Newton, For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The thing is that your tongue is not supposed to push, it's supposed to hold the maxilla, locking it only to grow forward and not downwards. That's why oral posture has a mild effect on adults; they're not growing anymore.

It's different for face pulling because you're not "pushing" you're "pulling" and the interaction is made between your face pulling device and the maxilla



Posted by: W
« on: July 01, 2016, 03:46:17 am »

Someone on CP's site, commented that every action, has an equal and opposite action.  Therefore, pushing the tongue too forcefully on the palate, can create just as much force, pushing downwards, which may cause facial lengthening.   They said, if the face feels tight, the maxilla can’t move forwards against tight muscles, either.

But, as long as the upwards force is gentle, keeping the teeth in full contact would offset any opposing, downward force, wouldn't it?

That said, when you're face-pulling (especially with a belt, or a mouthguard), it's hard to keep the teeth in full contact.  Also, what if, when the face is left to fully relax, all of the teeth and the lips tend to slightly, lose contact...Would face pulling retrude the upper teeth and create more distance between the top and bottom and lengthen the face, over time?