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Posted by: Gaia
« on: August 05, 2014, 02:02:05 pm »

Connor, I feel like this is a little OT, but thought I should reply anyway.

Ok, so thoughts, not science.  ;)

I happen to have a Japanese sister in law. Beautiful woman, but with a recessed lower jaw, V-shaped upper arch and VERY crowded teeth (never had braces). Not to generalize too much but isn't this something you see a lot in Japanese people? (Her parents both have good facial structure for whatever it's worth.)

I've been told by her and my brother who is married to her, that braces and orthodontic treatment in general is far less common in Japan (it's becoming more and more common though). So my thought was: What if that's why we don't see as many super damaged faces in Japan? Or at least they're not damaged in the same way? Because what I have seen after studying hundreds of before-after-braces pictures is that yes, the facial structure was bad to begin with, but braces were what really made it collapse. Some people's faces weren't even that broken before treatment, but afterwards it looked like they lost half their face. Considering how many people have had braces in the Western world, the "brace face" is extremely common. Again, just a thought. I, too, hope I haven't offended anybody.


Posted by: Connor
« on: August 02, 2014, 10:01:04 pm »

That article is very interesting but in the part where he talks about modern man vs the 10000 years back man....The Japanese and the much of the Asian cultures come to mind. These people to this day have unbelievable facial profiles and just bodies in general. Their culture is very grain filled (especially rice) and are all about making food easier for the digestive system to well, digest. Which means really cooking it(which makes foods softer). Now many of these health forums you hear them ranting how if we eat more raw foods it will help with a plethora of things and not to mention your jaw muscles.....but then once again i go back to the (using them as prime example) Japanese. They have stuck to their culture and are a very healthy people ( especially compared to the west and even some the east) with broad faces, large jaws and huge cheekbones. I used to tell my friend as a light hearted joke "dude picture all the girls here who aren't Japanese see with the facial structure of alot of these Japanese girls" after some explaining he goes "holy crap man your right they would all be drop dead gorgeous." I apologize if that offends anyone but i think its true in a sense. Most of these people in Japan seem to have stuck to their culture and you can see the amazing it has done for them. Especially their gorgeous women  ;D. haha all jokes aside though. While i do see where calming power writer is coming from in that area of his article I dont think its really what the real issue is. (but when the hell is it just one thing right? haha)

Any thoughts?


P.s. I know calming power never said anything about Raw foods but Ive heard of the chewing theory and it usually gets tied in with it. It really just seems the Japanese culture who i used as an example, dont do all that much chewing vs America.
Yet have retained much of the strong facial structures.


Sources: I know many Japanese strong cultured families who still abide by the cultures practices. All with outstanding facial profiles

Posted by: Gaia
« on: July 30, 2014, 09:59:17 am »

I think some of the answers you're looking for might be in this blog post by Clamingpower:
http://claimingpower.com/how-to-get-rid-of-a-gummy-smile-what-is-the-cause-how-i-resolved-mine/
In short: Even after the maxilla has been expanded forward, the mandible is still down and back because of long time downward movement of the upper molars. The key is to change the gonial angle.

Functional orthodontics involve pulling the mandible forward in the way that's being described in the below link. Read only the answer by Tooth975!
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110926181451AAVAmvZ
Just be careful with Herbst and Twinblock appliances that move the mandible forward by bracing against the maxilla. You want maximum forward expansion/movement of both upper and lower jaw!

Edit: I find it somewhat strange that an orthotropics practitioner who was trained by Dr. Hang says the lower jaw can't be moved forward as an adult, seeing as how orthotropics doctors often work with sleep apnea cases where the lower needs to come forward or it won't help the airway/breathing enough to stop the apnea.
Posted by: Student_Of_Life
« on: July 27, 2014, 07:20:05 pm »

This is my question exactly (as my profile picture indicates...unfortunately...). However, I thought the exact opposite. It seems like the best solution for that is the face pulling because it swings the maxilla forward, bringing the mandible with it.

From what I understand (and I could be wrong!!)...The homeoblock expands the face horizontally through widening the palate but I didn't think it does much for moving the lower jaw FORWARD. My orthotropic dentist who trained under Dr. Hang (Face Focused) says only jaw surgery would move it FORWARD as a 27yo adult, but I think it's just because he's unaware of face pulling (FaceMax, Plato, The Crane).

Could someone who is better versed and/or has experience confirm or deny?
Posted by: Gts2014
« on: July 27, 2014, 09:56:12 am »

Hello everyone! Glenn here. First time poster!

So I stumbled upon this forum while researching NCR and face pulling and they sound utterly life changing.

However, after reading platos website and a few particular posts on here about the mandible, I'm starting to get the sense that my overbite/recessed lower jaw makes it impractical for me to experience the benefits from these techniques.  I did read somewhere that overbites/ recessed Lower jaws are actually a tmj related issue not always a bone deficiency issue and could therefore be corrected with functional orthodontic appliances(which I'm guessing the Homeoblock and DNA appliances are??)

Anywho, any insight into this issue would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!