Post reply

Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.
Name:
Email:
Subject:
Message icon:
Verification:

shortcuts: hit alt+s to submit/post or alt+p to preview


Topic Summary

Posted by: Jaw Breaker
« on: June 13, 2017, 11:09:46 am »

You're probably right! what size finger cot do you use? I have a small structure but usea medium size finger cot.
Posted by: reenochrobinson
« on: June 03, 2017, 06:56:16 pm »

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on June 01, 2017, 05:10:52 am
thank you for offering to help me :) To be honest, I have no idea if I got past the turbinates or not. my last attempt did gag me slightly but, like I said it hurt me last time so I've not done it since.
But I will try it again soon :) my right nostril is all locked up and I can barely get the finger cot up there. I think my maxilla is less developed on that side as my right eye is slightly more sunken that my left.

My guess is that you were only inflating within the meatus or back into the vestibule, and the finger cot never advanced past the turbinates into the nasopharynx. Generally, after careful placement of the finger cot, I give the sphygmomanometer bulb a few small squeezes while pressing inward and then feel the finger cot expand into the space of the nasopharynx where there is much less resistance as I squeeze fully a few times before releasing the valve and pulling the finger cot out.
Posted by: Jaw Breaker
« on: June 01, 2017, 05:10:52 am »

thank you for offering to help me :) To be honest, I have no idea if I got past the turbinates or not. my last attempt did gag me slightly but, like I said it hurt me last time so I've not done it since.
But I will try it again soon :) my right nostril is all locked up and I can barely get the finger cot up there. I think my maxilla is less developed on that side as my right eye is slightly more sunken that my left.
Posted by: Progress
« on: June 01, 2017, 05:01:22 am »

Quote from: reenochrobinson on May 31, 2017, 01:15:28 pm

Quote from: Progress on May 31, 2017, 05:18:08 am
Yes the link between emotions and posture, along with their long term influence on the whole body is an interesting fringe topic.

I definitely believe meditating and visualizing the changes we're trying to achieve are worthwhile pursuits. As I commented in the thread about Binural Beats, while I don't think just listening to certain sound frequencies is going to remodel our bones, concentrating in a meditative state can help us integrate postural habits and reinforce our commitment and belief that change is possible.


Yeah for sure. Learning to be more aware of the body and how it feels to use it is a learnable skill like anything else - and greatly beneficial in many aspects of life.

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on May 31, 2017, 01:40:34 pm
Have you tried anything like Reich ideas for facial improvement?
I would really like some advice on self NCR, I would really like to have another go at it. do you have any tips?

Not directly, but I understand where he's coming from and find it easy to agree with his theories intuitively. what are you having problems with? I haven't been able to hit the sphenoid lately, the balloon just expands against the walls of the upper throat but doesn't seem to be able to snap the sphenoid. Perhaps it just isn't the time for it.
Posted by: reenochrobinson
« on: May 31, 2017, 05:32:27 pm »

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on May 31, 2017, 01:40:34 pm
I would really like some advice on self NCR, I would really like to have another go at it. do you have any tips?

Do you think the finger cot was inflating within the nasopharynx or were you not able to advance past the turbinates and just inflating within a meatus? It definitely took me several attempts to reach the nasopharynx when I was first learning. Even when I started treating again, I couldn't quite get it right on the first couple tries. For me, it is easiest to place the finger cot in the bottom meatus. Once you know where your target is and how it's supposed to feel it gets much easier. I'm happy to try and answer questions.
Posted by: Jaw Breaker
« on: May 31, 2017, 01:40:34 pm »

Yes I did read a bit about it :) it's very interesting :) I definitely agree that childhood trauma can make us tense even when we've fully grown. My dad was emotionally abusive and we were walking on egg shells pretty much all the time he was home. as a result I developed the habit of clenching my teeth during the night, as a result my jaw line is more pronounced than my siblings.
Have you tried anything like Reich ideas for facial improvement?
I would really like some advice on self NCR, I would really like to have another go at it. do you have any tips?
Posted by: Jaw Breaker
« on: May 31, 2017, 01:27:04 pm »

I got Damon braces so I'm just using them with a hockey helmet to do the face pulling.
Posted by: reenochrobinson
« on: May 31, 2017, 01:15:28 pm »

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on May 30, 2017, 11:37:04 pm
It's not my first attempt no but, I've yet to get the technique right and just feel I might be doing more harm than good.

Better safe than sorry! I definitely wouldn't keep doing it unless I was confident in my technique.

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on May 30, 2017, 11:37:04 pm
I've been trying to find ways to 'activated' the sphenoid bone without hitting it with a finger cot.

I'm not really sure I'm successfully engaging the sphenoid bone with my ncr, even though I know I'm inflating within the nasopharynx.

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on May 30, 2017, 11:37:04 pm
I do feel that although I haven't successfully done one round if NCR the face pulling is working anyway. because within a week of me starting it my side and front cheek bones started to pop out and everyone noticed.

Congratulations! Are you using the mouthguard + shoelace setup? What's your routine?

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on May 30, 2017, 11:37:04 pm
I just think that our minds are so powerful that it might be worth using that power to accomplish our desires.

Quote from: Progress on May 31, 2017, 05:18:08 am
Yes the link between emotions and posture, along with their long term influence on the whole body is an interesting fringe topic.

I definitely believe meditating and visualizing the changes we're trying to achieve are worthwhile pursuits. As I commented in the thread about Binural Beats, while I don't think just listening to certain sound frequencies is going to remodel our bones, concentrating in a meditative state can help us integrate postural habits and reinforce our commitment and belief that change is possible.
Posted by: Progress
« on: May 31, 2017, 05:18:08 am »

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on May 30, 2017, 11:37:04 pm
It's not my first attempt no but, I've yet to get the technique right and just feel I might be doing more harm than good. My face is pretty symmetrical anyway, its just my maxilla is further back than I'd like. I do feel that although I haven't successfully done one round if NCR the face pulling is working anyway. because within a week of me starting it my side and front cheek bones started to pop out and everyone noticed. I've been trying to find ways to 'activated' the sphenoid bone without hitting it with a finger cot. I've been looking into something called Emotional Freedom Technique or EFT. apparently women were able to grow there breasts bigger using this technique. others were able to recover from diseases like MS. I figure if this technique can cause physical change in someones body, maybe it could move the sphenoid bone? On Plato's site he did explain that the maxilla gets 'locked up' when we go through trauma and this technique expels trauma and other emotions we've not dealt with thus releasing tension in our bodies so it should help the Maxilla as well.
I just think that our minds are so powerful that it might be worth using that power to accomplish our desires.
regarding myofuntional training. I did see on CP site examples of people who were able to move their maxilla up and forwards with this technique alone, so thats another thing I'm giving a go.

Yes the link between emotions and posture, along with their long term influence on the whole body is an interesting fringe topic. Are you familiar with Reich's ideas such as the ones described on Plato's facepulling site? It does not sound  that far-fetched that people who experience reoccurring neglect, abuse or trauma in the childhood learn to cope both emotionally and physically. Certain emotions become lesser or greater depending on how you hold your body (try how unassertive you feel in curled relaxed position vs dominant tensed up position or how you feel while making angry vs sad face). If a child experiences a certain negative emotion chronically without having any control on the reason it happens (daddy beats mommy on the reg), the child will often eventually find a way to at least make those feelings less, through physical and mental means.

Fundamentally, even from a strictly scientific point of view, the body is a complex stream of energy flowing in and out and around, and anything that disturbs this flow is going to have significant consequences. The problem is that the stream of energy is so easy to disturb. Just a small negative thought or something your senses pick up can throw the body in a self-reinforcing negative feedback loop between worsening posture, mental state and poor energy flow if left unchecked by the conscious mind, and when this loop becomes chronic instead of situational, the musculature starts to adapt to the changes to the extent that the altered posture and mental health becomes basically a part of you. Eventually your whole way of interacting with the surrounding reality has changed.

I think Tyler described some quite intense changes in the way he related with the nature, himself and others years ago when his skull was undergoing changes.
Posted by: Jaw Breaker
« on: May 30, 2017, 11:37:04 pm »

It's not my first attempt no but, I've yet to get the technique right and just feel I might be doing more harm than good. My face is pretty symmetrical anyway, its just my maxilla is further back than I'd like. I do feel that although I haven't successfully done one round if NCR the face pulling is working anyway. because within a week of me starting it my side and front cheek bones started to pop out and everyone noticed. I've been trying to find ways to 'activated' the sphenoid bone without hitting it with a finger cot. I've been looking into something called Emotional Freedom Technique or EFT. apparently women were able to grow there breasts bigger using this technique. others were able to recover from diseases like MS. I figure if this technique can cause physical change in someones body, maybe it could move the sphenoid bone? On Plato's site he did explain that the maxilla gets 'locked up' when we go through trauma and this technique expels trauma and other emotions we've not dealt with thus releasing tension in our bodies so it should help the Maxilla as well.
I just think that our minds are so powerful that it might be worth using that power to accomplish our desires.
regarding myofuntional training. I did see on CP site examples of people who were able to move their maxilla up and forwards with this technique alone, so thats another thing I'm giving a go.
Posted by: reenochrobinson
« on: May 30, 2017, 04:26:16 pm »

Quote from: Selina93 on May 30, 2017, 02:42:09 pm
Humble opinion, one should first learn proper posture with Myofunctional therapy or Mewing and then do NCR.

Yeah, like I said, in my mind functional/postural techniques are most important, and NCR is a supplement which might enhance the effect of those strategies.
Posted by: reenochrobinson
« on: May 30, 2017, 01:48:21 pm »

Quote from: Jaw Breaker on May 30, 2017, 10:16:03 am
Great to hear you are giving it another shot. I had a go at Self NCR a few weeks back. I inflated through the left nostril and immediately after inflation I got a sharp burning achy pain all across the left side of my skull. I've not bothered since.
I really think myofunctional therapy is the way to go, after all, the techniques and habits they teach you are how your face should have formed with anyway.

In my mind, the mewing/myofunctional techniques are the most important to prevent further deterioration, and to slowly improve the facial structure. I'm hoping "NCR" might help expedite that process. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. Was that your first attempt, or had you treated successfully before? Did you advance past the turbinates and expand within the nasopharynx or did it just inflate within the meatus? NCR is definitely more risky than the functional/postural strategies.
Posted by: Jaw Breaker
« on: May 30, 2017, 10:16:03 am »

Great to hear you are giving it another shot. I had a go at Self NCR a few weeks back. I inflated through the left nostril and immediately after inflation I got a sharp burning achy pain all across the left side of my skull. I've not bothered since.
I really think myofunctional therapy is the way to go, after all, the techniques and habits they teach you are how your face should have formed with anyway.
Posted by: reenochrobinson
« on: May 26, 2017, 07:13:03 pm »

I inflated through all six meatuses again today. If I am able to start a series of daily treatments then I might start alternating nostrils, but I think I will keep treating both sides on incidental days. I haven't had the time that I expected to treat consistently. It has been almost 2 weeks since my last session. I should go back and read through the instructions that I used when I first learned the methods to make sure I am not missing anything. I'm consistently able to inflate inside the nasopharynx, and I felt a little pressure in my ears today, but I haven't experienced the kind of satisfying sensation that I remember from my previous round last year. I am worried that I am not effectively engaging the sphenoid bone. Maybe there isn't as much seismic energy built up along my sutures since I've been mewing? I am using a different brand of finger cot which might be a little bigger than last year. Could that be the problem?
Posted by: reenochrobinson
« on: May 13, 2017, 08:24:43 pm »

I'm just getting over a cold, so rather than begin to alternate sides, I decided to treat all six meatuses again today. Initially I was having some trouble with air leaking out around my dental floss seal, but adding more floss solved the problem. As I remembered, the thumb trick did seem to help my gag reflex, and it seemed like I got pretty good expansion across the nasopharynx from all six positions. I think I felt a bit of an ear popping sensation during one of the inflations.

In addition to the sporadic self-ncr treatments, I've been chewing gum pretty consistently, but I think I need to focus more on getting the posterior third of my tongue up on my palate.