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Posted by: Progress
« on: February 02, 2017, 02:13:10 am »

Yeah definitely, having tongue on palate is ideal in terms of facial development when you're growing. Whether or not tongue alone is enough to affect facial structure in adults, I'm not sure about that. However, as long as the force is towards the same general direction, it shouldn't matter whether it is generated against palate or teeth. People have gotten results from mewing as well as from devices that are attached to teeth.
Posted by: Skull
« on: January 31, 2017, 08:21:44 pm »

Quote from: MeltedFace on January 31, 2017, 06:19:06 pm
Today I just started trying to do this in the day, and I look crazy because of my gonial angle - major little double chin and crazy looking lol - but it works. I find at night that it's so easy, and wear a headband to keep my mouth shut around my face. I think I'm going to get a compression mask on Amazon to help my weak jaw until it gets stronger

Yeah, my chin practically disappears into my neck when I do it. Maybe this is why it's so hard to get changes. People don't want to look like they have a double chin so they walk around with their head rotated slightly upward. But when you rotate the head up you also move the palate away from the tongue because it's attached to the neck muscles, the lack of support causes the face to drop down more, which makes the double chin worse so they have to rotate their head up even more and so on. Then over the years the structure gets so distorted that when you try to hold the original head position it looks like a crazy chin tuck. The only way to get this process going in the other direction might be to be willing to hold your head rotated the other way for most of the day even if it makes you look extra bad.

Quote from: Progress on January 30, 2017, 11:15:29 pm
Anyways, I think the mechanics involved in this kind of "facepulling" are pretty close to what Mew is talking about here https://youtu.be/-pzL3ETuiKc?t=807. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at least for me far greater forces seem to be generated against the anterior teeth than posterior teeth, which may over time tip the anterior maxilla upwards and allow the mandible swing up & forward with it (as shown in Mew's powerpoint slide). Looking at the force vectors, the facepulling gear he shows at 14:40 seems to be made to simulate this exact effect of correct head posture.

I think most of the force should be distributed to the palate using the tongue rather than the teeth. Although when I was first doing this I did notice more pressure to my molars because I had an open bite at the front due to previous tongue thrust swallow patterns. I stopped wearing my plastic orthodontic retainers at night and this gradually corrected itself, now all the pressure feels even through all my teeth and my tongue reflexively goes against my palate. 
Posted by: MeltedFace
« on: January 31, 2017, 06:19:06 pm »

Today I just started trying to do this in the day, and I look crazy because of my gonial angle - major little double chin and crazy looking lol - but it works. I find at night that it's so easy, and wear a headband to keep my mouth shut around my face. I think I'm going to get a compression mask on Amazon to help my weak jaw until it gets stronger
Posted by: MJON
« on: January 31, 2017, 03:21:53 pm »

Interesting post, I find that my posture causes my neck comes forward slightly and therefore my head. When I concentrate on tucking my chin in my neck straightens and my head seems to be in the right place... it's also a lot easier for my tongue to rest on the upper palate this way. Does anybody else find this? 
Posted by: Progress
« on: January 30, 2017, 11:15:29 pm »

Quote from: MeltedFace on January 30, 2017, 12:47:29 pm
How are you tucking? I'm a little confused how it might damage anything... is it the Mackenzie tuck?
Yes. Basically I drive the mandible towards the neck. This forces the teeth together hard. Grinding teeth is damaging to the enamel, so I'm wondering how damaging static pressure is (if at all).



Quote from: Skull on January 30, 2017, 01:51:30 pm
In my opinion this is the only way to really get sufficient force to the maxilla. The more you practice this the stronger your tongue and the muscles at the front of your neck will get to offset added pressure to the teeth.

A few months ago I had the epiphany that when I'm tucking my chin back this is actually closer to the orientation my head is supposed to be in. When I tuck my chin, it straightens out my whole neck and spine and causes my tongue to jam into my palate due to lack of space. I realized the reason I always used to slouch was because the center of gravity of my head was too far in front of my spine due to forward head posture. Thereason my jaw tucks into my throat so much when I do this posture is because of how far down my maxilla is dropped and how much my mandible rotated back. If angelina jolie or natalie portman did a chin tuck, their jaws would still stick straight out at a 90 degree angle. So far I've noticed significant closure of my open bite, also I used to barely be able to breathe while tucking my chin in but now I can which tells me there was some adaptation.

I find it useful to occasionally put my hand on the back of my head and gently pull upward, while holding an inhalation plaster your tongue on the palate and push while engaging the front of the neck. Then when you release the breath it feels very relaxing and good.


Exactly. The great thing is that once the head is in an anatomically correct position, the rest of the body seems to magically sort itself out too. Suddenly your lordosis has gone away and your shoulders aren't rolled forward any more. Trying to fix either of these without fixing head posture is incredibly hard. I remember having to stretch psoas and hamstrings daily just to be able to keep the hip area straight and open before becoming aware of head posture.

Anyways, I think the mechanics involved in this kind of "facepulling" are pretty close to what Mew is talking about here https://youtu.be/-pzL3ETuiKc?t=807. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at least for me far greater forces seem to be generated against the anterior teeth than posterior teeth, which may over time tip the anterior maxilla upwards and allow the mandible swing up & forward with it (as shown in Mew's powerpoint slide). Looking at the force vectors, the facepulling gear he shows at 14:40 seems to be made to simulate this exact effect of correct head posture.

If only I could sleep on my back without getting apnea... having the mandible driving against the maxilla for whole night could be able to really catapult structural changes.
Posted by: Skull
« on: January 30, 2017, 01:51:30 pm »

In my opinion this is the only way to really get sufficient force to the maxilla. The more you practice this the stronger your tongue and the muscles at the front of your neck will get to offset added pressure to the teeth.

A few months ago I had the epiphany that when I'm tucking my chin back this is actually closer to the orientation my head is supposed to be in. When I tuck my chin, it straightens out my whole neck and spine and causes my tongue to jam into my palate due to lack of space. I realized the reason I always used to slouch was because the center of gravity of my head was too far in front of my spine due to forward head posture. Thereason my jaw tucks into my throat so much when I do this posture is because of how far down my maxilla is dropped and how much my mandible rotated back. If angelina jolie or natalie portman did a chin tuck, their jaws would still stick straight out at a 90 degree angle. So far I've noticed significant closure of my open bite, also I used to barely be able to breathe while tucking my chin in but now I can which tells me there was some adaptation.

I find it useful to occasionally put my hand on the back of my head and gently pull upward, while holding an inhalation plaster your tongue on the palate and push while engaging the front of the neck. Then when you release the breath it feels very relaxing and good.
Posted by: MeltedFace
« on: January 30, 2017, 12:47:29 pm »

How are you tucking? I'm a little confused how it might damage anything... is it the Mackenzie tuck?
Posted by: Progress
« on: January 30, 2017, 03:57:55 am »

For the past couple of days I've been focusing on keeping my chin tucked in as much as I can. It seems to really push the lower jaw / teeth against the upper jaw, even when all my facial muscles are relaxed. In terms of forces generated, this seems very similar to facepulling and is very sustainable.

Even in such a short amount of time, it has made my bite feel different. I wonder if this kind of posture is capable of impacting the facial structure over time, since the forces seem greater than pushing with the tongue against the palate. On the other hand, I'm a bit paranoid about whether this is damaging to teeth in the same way grinding is, although this is just static force. Anyone else have experiences or thoughts to share?