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What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
« on: October 16, 2013, 12:49:34 pm »
Hey everyone,

In the hope that this is interesting to some, I'm going to review what my experiences with cranial restructuring have taught me.

Before I get started though:

***I DON'T ADVISE ANYONE TO IMITATE WHAT I AM DESCRIBING HERE.  IT IS POSSIBLE TO HURT YOURSELF WITH WHAT I DISCUSS HERE.  I AM MERELY PROVIDING INFORMATION, IT IS UP TO YOU WHAT YOU DO WITH IT.***

The first thing to understand is that every one has a certain genetic potential as to how their bone structure is meant to be.  What determines whether you achieve this is breathing habits during your developmental years (childhood).  One is supposed to breath through their nose, with their tongue on the roof of the mouth.  It is the tongue which shapes the palate/dental arches.  The tongue is nature's natural face-pulling and palate expansion device.

The second thing to understand is that this genetic potential can still be achieved at any point in life.  NCR, FP, and palate expansion are the tools required to achieve this.

Here's my opinion on how these individual methods work:

NCR:  By gently nudging the sphenoid bone located at the top-back of the throat directly behind the nose, the sutures in the skull are loosened.  The benefits of this are twofold:  1.  The cranial bones can now settle into their optimal positions, and 2.  Loosening the cranial sutures greatly enhance the achievable results from FP and palate expansion.

After 2-3 months of doing NCR everyday, I stopped seeing results (the best indicator of results is the skull feeling sensitive in areas where movement occured).  My skull had reached its optimal configuration.  Genetic potential acheived!

FP:  This is by far the simplest technique, but extremely effective.  All you are doing with face-pulling is moving everything forward out of your airway.  No new bone is being built.  This means there is no limit on how much face-pulling you can do at once. 

When you're face-pulling your skull should ache.  Not serious pain, but discomfort. 

Once I realized this I did a lot of face-pulling over the course of a few days.  I experienced significant results.  Up to that point I had face-pulled only a few minutes each day and stopped when things really started aching.  I didn't realize the aching was the sign of things moving!  During the course of those few days, eventually the aching stopped:  My face was as far forward as it was meant to be.  I no longer FP because I no longer see results.  Genetic potential acheived!

Edit:  After writing this I decided to try FP again for the first time in several weeks.  I found I am actually still seeing results, just not as significant as before.  Therefore I am going to start up FP again!  I will update this thread with my progress.

The most amazing thing about FP:  I believe maximum results can be achieved in a very short period of time, maybe even a single session.  However since I have maximized my results I have no way of testing this theory!  Please exhibit caution if you attempt FP!  Don't hurt yourself.

Changes you will notice:  Slightly stronger bone structure.  Better symmetry.  Better breathing.  The most tangible result I found was that your singing voice will improve.  Try singing after FP and your voice will be a bit "off", but then will adjust and be better than before.

A note on my FP technique:  I used a mouthguard/shoelace device.  I wore gardening gloves for better grip and to protect my hands.  I would wrap the laces around my fingers and get them right up to the mouthguard.  I pulled using in a fast pulsating manner rather than using a continuous force.  I found this more effective and much less tiring on the arms.

Palate expansion:  This is something I am currently looking into.  I had bicuspid extractions as a child so my dental arches are way too small.  This has given me many problems, such as scoliosis, TMJ (my mandible is crammed way back), breathing problems, etc..  Of course all of this is very detrimental to one's looks.

I have found an amazing orthodontist who specializes in ALF orthodontics (If one is interested in palate expansion, I would recommend ALF).  The only problem is cost and time (this could take over $25,000 over 3 years).  The program would involve using ALF to expand the dental arches, followed by damon braces to create proper gaps in the teeth, then implants/bridges.

This is something I am going to do eventually, but it is not feasible for me right now. 

Finally, I modified my face-pulling device to make it stay in the mouth better.  There are a total of six holes.  Here is a picture:



Feel free to provide questions or comments!
« Last Edit: October 16, 2013, 03:21:04 pm by Walrus »

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Edit:  After writing this I decided to try FP again for the first time in several weeks.  I found I am actually still seeing results, just not as significant as before.  Therefore I am going to start up FP again!  I will update this thread with my progress.


I was gonna say! Since you've had bicuspid extractions and still have difficulties breathing there should be some more room for improvement. But you might also need some expansion of the premaxilla, which is likely going to happen if you go to an ALF orthodontist.

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After 2-3 months of doing NCR everyday, I stopped seeing results (the best indicator of results is the skull feeling sensitive in areas where movement occured).  My skull had reached its optimal configuration.  Genetic potential acheived!

Are you sure you've attained maximum results? Ben did over 100 treatments. Some say retraction orthodontics damages the face like a car that gets a big dent from being hit. When you look at your face/skull, are you satisfied with everything except the palate? I believe NCR can help your lower jaw come forward as well.


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Do you guys think it could be possible to do self palatal expansion?
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How positive are you that FP actually produced tangible results? I looked at Tyler's pictures and it's hard to tell if he actually had results because of the drastic lighting differences in his pictures.

Also, has your profile improved at all as a result of any of these things? Do you have any pictures?

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@Gaia:  Yes, I've definitely achieved maximum results.  Ben's cranial problems were more severe that mine, which is largely why his process took longer.  My problems were with my maxilla being too far back (which face-pulling corrected) and my dental arches being much too small because of extractions (which I will need to correct with ALF).  NCR cannot fix these problems, although it makes fixing them easier by loosening the sutures in the skull.

@Jay:  100% positive.  I agree, it is hard to tell from Tyler's pictures, and no, sorry, I'm not comfortable posting pictures of myself.  You will have to try for yourself.  However, if you are looking to change your profile, it is palate expansion you are looking for.  Your mandible position is largely determined by your bite (dental arches).  For example, because of extractions my dental arches are much too small, which forces my mandible to sit way too far back.  NCR and FP cannot fix this.

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Did you notice an increase in symmetry? I would be completely happy with my profile if the right side of my face came forward a bit. That's also where I have TMJ

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Do you guys think it could be possible to do self palatal expansion?

Plato suggests you contact this company but I haven't tried them:

http://www.kfo-soehngen.de/kfo_fachlabor_gisbert_soehngen_spangen.html

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Do you guys think it could be possible to do self palatal expansion?

Plato suggests you contact this company but I haven't tried them:

http://www.kfo-soehngen.de/kfo_fachlabor_gisbert_soehngen_spangen.html


I have. The provider is a very friendly german woman. She sells at least two types of orthodontic equipment. One is a mouthguard (jaw shaper) which helps realign/broaden the dental arch by chewing. The other is a german style applience with manual screws. I tried both but didn't use them for too long since the jaw shaper hurt my gums and the pallate expander further misaligned my teeth.

My teeth where seriously f-ed up. I'm currently undergoing expansion with an ALF-orthodontist and I'm happy so far (I have upper and lower ALFs' aswell as bracers). I'm tracking my progress with photos and I still have 12 months to go.

I imagine that face pulling and self NCR are a whole different story than aligning teeth. If your only concern is widening of the palate/dental arch I'd say go for it. Unless your mouth also looks like a stack of matches on a crooked string. For me, my TMD got excabarated through self-treatment which ultimatly was a good thing since it forced me to get real help.

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I have. The provider is a very friendly german woman. She sells at least two types of orthodontic equipment. One is a mouthguard (jaw shaper) which helps realign/broaden the dental arch by chewing. The other is a german style applience with manual screws. I tried both but didn't use them for too long since the jaw shaper hurt my gums and the pallate expander further misaligned my teeth.

My teeth where seriously f-ed up. I'm currently undergoing expansion with an ALF-orthodontist and I'm happy so far (I have upper and lower ALFs' aswell as bracers). I'm tracking my progress with photos and I still have 12 months to go.

I imagine that face pulling and self NCR are a whole different story than aligning teeth. If your only concern is widening of the palate/dental arch I'd say go for it. Unless your mouth also looks like a stack of matches on a crooked string. For me, my TMD got excabarated through self-treatment which ultimatly was a good thing since it forced me to get real help.

/Andreas
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Do you know how you've come around to exacerbate your TMD?
Other than the one provided by Gaia, do you have any other website(s) that sell them palatal expanders? It seems people in Europe are much more aware of these kind of things.
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I have. The provider is a very friendly german woman. She sells at least two types of orthodontic equipment. One is a mouthguard (jaw shaper) which helps realign/broaden the dental arch by chewing. The other is a german style applience with manual screws. I tried both but didn't use them for too long since the jaw shaper hurt my gums and the pallate expander further misaligned my teeth.

My teeth where seriously f-ed up. I'm currently undergoing expansion with an ALF-orthodontist and I'm happy so far (I have upper and lower ALFs' aswell as bracers). I'm tracking my progress with photos and I still have 12 months to go.

I imagine that face pulling and self NCR are a whole different story than aligning teeth. If your only concern is widening of the palate/dental arch I'd say go for it. Unless your mouth also looks like a stack of matches on a crooked string. For me, my TMD got excabarated through self-treatment which ultimatly was a good thing since it forced me to get real help.

/Andreas

Do you know how you've come around to exacerbate your TMD?
Other than the one provided by Gaia, do you have any other website(s) that sell them palatal expanders? It seems people in Europe are much more aware of these kind of things.
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I believe it's because the device pushed my molars out to the side to the point where I suddey only had one small contact point on one side in my mouth. I've never had great molar support but after three months the only teeth that met where half of my upper and lower 6's.

I'm not saying it dosen't work. I'm just saying to be careful and that I myself choose to go the professional route when aligning teeth. There is a benefit to have someone experienced supervising your progress.