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I would LOVE to get a mouthguard and try it this way!

For the time being, I've been doing it via face pushing, by putting my thumbs on the palate where my eye teeth are, and pushing upward and outward as shown on the FP website.  I am getting results this way, but I prefer to do the mouth guard thing.  I'm not even sure where to buy those.

I do it with my fingers in short intervals (3 min at a time) a couple of times a day.   I can feel it in my TMD joint and my cheekbones get slightly sore, like right after an NCR session.  In my case I believe less is more.

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Hey guys, just a quick update on my progress.

I'm still using the mouthguard as shown before and results continue to be great.  My routine usually consists of a few short sessions each day.  I pull pretty hard, and after maybe 10-30 seconds my jaw/head starts getting sore/aches (no acute pain or anything though!).  I then stop and rest for a bit.  Then I repeat, maybe 3-5 times.  It all comes down to how I feel.  Once I can't pull at all without ache I stop.  Results are immediate.  I often look slightly different after treatment.  I never experience any post-treatment symptoms whatsoever.

Some interesting changes:  My mandible now sits differently; my tongue fits better within my teeth and my TMJ is much better; my voice improves slightly after each treatment; better breathing.   

Also, the method I use to pull involves wrapping the lace around my first two fingers, with my thumbs on the bottom of the lace.  So basically I am making fists with my thumbs pointing towards myself.  It's pretty intuitive.  My hands were also getting a bit torn up, so I bought some cheap gardening gloves.  The grip with these makes the process even easier.

@Jay:  It's just a single mouthguard for the top teeth as shown in the picture.  Probably the most simple mouthguard you can buy.  You shouldn't be pulling on your bottom teeth.  Your mandible should naturally come forward as your maxilla advances.

@MM:  You can probably buy one at most sporting department stores, or anyplace that sells hockey gear.

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Cool update, Walrus! I will try your method tomorrow to see if I can obtain immediate results, as well.

Later on the week I will post some new photos, and then I need to make a video on lining up my face for comparison, lol - I promised it to Ben and then procrastinated on the task for weeks omg.

I noticed that my mandible sits differently, too. It looks much more attractive, lol, although I do not know how to describe the change. It seems to have "swung out", though, just like Plato said it would.

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I think mine will begin to roll forward on the condyles and drop.  I think it's already on the way, because last night the mandible jaw felt weird, not bad weird, but as in different weird.  No pain at all.   A little soreness in the cheeks area similar to what it feels like after NCR.

I'm still using my fingers though, and stop after my arms get tired.  I can go 4 minutes before stopping and I do that at least twice a day.

I want to do it longer before posting pics though.  Most have already seen my progression in the NCR series.   Which I'm having another one (6th session) later on this summer.

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So I FINALLY got a mouth guard and made some holes etc. yay!
Mine is made of some kind of gel like plastic, which is probably what they are all made from. Part of me worries that the holes might stretch or something, but hopefully everything will stay put.

My big question for those who are doing it this way, how do you know if you are pulling at the correct angle? Are you pulling up more, or away from you more?
And are you putting your tongue on the shoelace the whole time?or keeping the guard in place by gritting your teeth a little? - just not sure where the tension should be with regard to the mouth.

Love some advice.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2013, 12:19:16 am by viridian »

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Hi,

I've been lurking around these forums for a while now and I have to say your face pulling and NCR pictures are very impressive and inspiring. Tyler, your results are amazing!! Keep us posted!

I intend to start face pulling soon. In the meantime I've been doing some orthodontic work on my own. This isn't something I would recommend but I'm very satisfied with the results. I'm doing lateral palate expansion with a Schwarz plate and after only 3 mm of appliance expansion I now have gaps between all my teeth and my cheekbones have come out a bit. My lower jaw also came forward some on its own.


Unfortunately though, I must have pulled a little too hard, because during a session my retainer exploded. 


I was worried about this. People like myself who are using an expansion appliance would probably try to attach the rubber bands to it and start pulling. However, if it breaks a lot of progress could be lost.

Has anybody else had this happen to them, where an appliance shatters, bends or deforms due to the pulling?




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I was interested in getting a schwartz for myself? Where can i get one without a dentist rx?

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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2013, 04:17:47 am »
Ok folks, I've been using the mouthguard and shoelaces for about 5 weeks or so. I don't pull for very long (probably only about 5mins or so), and there have been a few days that I missed.

It was hard to chart the progress for a while mostly because my face gets puffy very easily and I have chronic fatigue and am always trying out new detoxes etc. which set me off. So there were days that I was looking in the mirror and thinking 'wow, my eyes are so puffy and weird (or something) and does my face always look like this??' And I couldn't tell what face pulling was doing as my face would flare up and it was as though the face staring back at me was quite distorted.

Many years ago I had some terrible dentistry done, and one of the things that I had to do was wear this wire thing that clamped around my upper back teeth whilst I slept. It was supposed to push my back teeth further back to 'theoretically' create more room for my other teeth that were cramped and not sitting straight. Now of course I realise that this thing was effectively pushing my mandible back, and doing the very opposite to what I'm now doing with the shoelaces and mouthguard.
All that time of wearing this thing to bed every night resulted in quite a flat face. Though I'm only really realising how flat it was now.
The biggest thing for me has been that I'm starting to get a chin! It is a bit weird getting used to seeing it there, and when I look at my face from 3/4 it seems odd to have to pop out at me, as opposed to being receding. 
And I think I've also noticed that the bridge of my nose is coming out further - something which freaked me out at first, as my immediate thought was 'my god my nose is getting bigger!' But what is happening is that the whole face is slowly starting to gain more dimension, and so my eyes are simultaneously seeming more deep set.

All the changes so far are miniscule though really, we are talking fractions of a millimeter here, especially as I don't have a helmet so don't do it for 30mins.
I'm sure that no one else has noticed anything different!

As to whether I look better, it is hard to say. I probably look more balanced as the lower half of my face isn't receding so much. Though my face, to me, looks more boney. As it was flatter, it seems more harsh now and as though I need extra bits of fat. But as it is my face it is hard to tell which bits I'm simply getting used to.

I have taken some lowish light photos just with the camera on my laptop, and I can see more clearly in those that my face somehow seems more compact, less long, less frowney and more pleasing. When I look in the mirror though, I see a face that is slightly different, not necessarily better, or more classically good-looking, just a little different, more sculptural, more harsh, and the skin/bags under my eyes seems to bulge more (something the camera doesn't pick up).

The differences between what the camera likes and what the eye prefers is interesting. The camera definitely likes more sculptural qualities. Whilst in the flesh sometimes I feel like I miss some of the softer bits that used to be there. Though I also know that my face was/is problematic in that it is asymmetrical and crooked, and whilst I have high cheekbones, they were fairly non-existent directly under my eye, and that part is now becoming slightly fuller and less sunken.

I will definitely keep going as I have back issues and feel that it must come from the jaw. That is my main aim actually, a hope that doing this will sort out other structural issues I have.

Finally I haven't noticed any differences in how people approach me, or my relation to the world, as others have reported.
Though now that I think more carefully about it, maybe I am a little less withdrawn, possibly not so much in my behaviour, but in the sense of simply wanting to move out into whatever is before me without hesitation. It is all still early days though.

Hope everyone else is going well.

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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2013, 04:44:25 am »
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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2013, 11:12:04 am »
I wish to also say, as a personal part of my experience, that my own face has not always progressed into more attractive forms; which is to say, each increment of improvement from NCR and face-pulling has not always been appealing to me afterward. There are times when, due to the presence of bone which was not present before, I have developed unappealing dimples, or my jaw has seemed to grow vertically long again in a manner which causes my face to look too long and narrow.

However, over the course of time, these unappealing features have begun to shape into very appealing features. For example, what was, for a span of approximately three weeks, a large dimple in the side of my face has filled out to become a prominent, rounded cheek which, adding a lot of width to my once very narrow skull, nicely balances out the length of my face.

I cannot say that everybody's experience will be identical to my own, but I am willing to estimate that some aspects of my experience will be universal; namely, that some features will seem disproportionate and asymmetrical for a time as the other features "catch up", in a manner of speaking.

Take care.
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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2013, 10:45:56 pm »
Hi Tyler,
Thanks for this! Your description of moving from zombie to vampire made me smile. Great visual!
I have loved hearing all the things that you have written about over the last few months, so thank you again for taking the time to write about your experiences. You've certainly motivated me.

I think that face pulling has definitely made me look better, it's just been all the little bits of adjusting in-between. It's not until parts of your face change, that you begin to notice how your face never really fitted together very well in the first place.
As per your suggestion I'm going to add more healthy fats in my diet, was going to anyway as I finally also figured out that I have some heavy metals in m system that I need to detox from. Butter seems to aggravate my sinuses, though I absolutely LOVE butter, so I might try ghee.

I haven't started NCR yet, but I do want to give it a try soon. Will get all the bits and pieces over the next couple of weeks. If I get scared / confused I might send you an email.
That is great that you now have room for the wisdom teeth. Mine got pulled years ago. They were so crowded that they were growing sideways!

xx

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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2013, 05:10:11 am »
I just started face pulling a couple of days ago. I have to admit I will be pretty disappointed would it appear that it doesn't do anything for me. ;)

I'm just curious, on Plato's website he says it replaces jaw surgery. Is he talking about a Le Fort osteotomy - 1 or 2? Those of you who have tried face pulling, which one would you say? (Here are pictures of the different fractures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Fort_fracture_of_skull )

Plato also says that if you have neck pain, face pulling won't help unless you address the neck issues first. At least I have severe neck pain, I thought it was because of the imbalance of the skull though (chicken and the egg kind of thing). 

Also, I was wondering what face pulling is supposed to feel like? Is it supposed to linger for a bit afterwards, or like a lot of force when doing it, or like nothing in particular? I feel like I could pull much harder but so far I have been making haste slowly. 

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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2013, 08:47:27 am »
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« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2013, 08:54:35 am »
Oh, since I forgot to mention it earlier, I will mention it now. Face-pulling has wrecked my braces, so that each time I go in for an appointment I am required to have new brackets put on. I do not mind it since the braces, in the grand scheme of things, were pretty ineffective at helping me obtain my structural goals... but I do suppose that it might baffle - and upset - the lady who works on my mouth each time!  :-X

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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2013, 06:17:07 pm »
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Plato also says that if you have neck pain, face pulling won't help unless you address the neck issues first. At least I have severe neck pain, I thought it was because of the imbalance of the skull though (chicken and the egg kind of thing).

I suggest emailing Plato and asking him about this directly, though of course somebody else on the forum might have the answer.

I would consider the ABC (Advanced BioStructural Correction) for that.  I have an ABC chiro close to me, thankfully, so we are now working on that very thing.  Between that and my NCR, my headaches have lessened tremendously.   In between my ABC corrections, my husband does the 1st Rib maneuver on me when I feel that I need it.

Go to http://www.advbiostructuralcorr.com/ and check to see if anyone is in your area or closeby.