Yeah, that was my point. You cant apply forces in the right direction, right force, correct amount, forget about it. Neither you know them, nor you will do them. I have been saying this on every second post I make but I want to avoid anyone hurting himself, wanna know how I dislocated my jaw? Simply from chewing gum, neither it was long, nor it was wrong. I had been doing it for 40 minutes and it happened. You dont want to be in the place of tmd sufferer, believe me. But do what you want, cant save immature heads