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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2013, 08:41:08 am »
To help anybody along who is interested in applying this Golden Ratio mask to their own face, I have also attached an image of the male, and female, ratios. The female mask is black, while the male mask is red.

F! that ****! Ok, I don't have a golden ratio face. My face is long. But you know what, it is freaking okay. Lots of beautiful people have a long face! Liv Tyler anyone?? What a sick guy I was before, but now I fortunately have some freaking sense.
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Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2013, 09:08:34 am »
I still don't know how to get it to work.  It's not transparent.  I don't see the layering thing you're talking about.

Maybe some screen shots of what you're clicking on during each step?
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---- sighhhh. I'm just cleaning up my posts for posterity. So sorry for the sudden interruption. My experience has been pretty positive I suppose. But, I went nuts. I look ok now though. But I now pull gently and if I don't feel anything, I DON'T PULL HARDER. My body's so numb to pain, I could yank and yank and feel nothing. I have no idea if I damaged my skull doing that!
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Gosh... the margin of error, which I just described in my last post, is so slight that I wonder if it will even affect anyone's perspective, lol...

Nevertheless, I want to ensure that there is no reason for somebody to say, "This process DOESN'T WORK!" Furthermore, I don't want to make promises that the procedure can't honour!

This would be a lot easier with a set of that square-grid wallpaper...

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Hi Tyler,

Thanks so much for posting some photos of how the face pulling is working out for you.
I am planning to get a retainer made up -- something I've been meaning to do since the start of the year, but haven't quite got around to it yet!
The changes I can see in your face are pretty strong, especially considering you have only been doing it for 40 days or so from your last post. Plato's face has gone through some remarkable changes too.
One thing that is making me hesitate, and maybe this is a bit silly, but how have people in your life reacted to the changes in your face?
I feel like I won't be able to explain (or want to) to people around me.

And whilst I definitely want a more three dimensional face, I'm also a little worried on losing the wonky bits of my face that I might not know that I liked until they are gone.
For example, I quite like what you have called the slightly dopey look in your face in the before pictures. Now it is more classically handsome, but it is probably not the kind of face I would strike up a conversation with because it is now more alpha and alphas have a certain personality type.
Is this making sense??  For example the guy on Plato's site, the original guy, in the after photo he looks handsome, but I would probably see him as a bit of a meat head and a bit aggressive and I wouldn't strike up a conversation with him. But I guess all of this is saying more about me than anything!

Love to hear your thoughts.

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It is also pretty awesome to observe that my singing voice has improved dramatically since I started face-pulling; that is to say, my dynamic range in terms of musical pitch has increased, and the melodic quality of my voice is now much more evocative, refined, and elegant. I cannot base my presumption on scientific evaluation, but it is leading me to the conclusion that we are all meant to be able to sing beautifully when we possess optimized cranial-bone structures, as well...

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Oh thanks so much Tyler! Such a considered and thoughtful reply.
I think it is precisely these concerns that have had me dragging my feet a little. And I feel much better now. It is incredible to me that your friends and family haven't noticed the changes. But then again I was thinking of how so many people look so different to their photos. A little while ago I met a bunch of people that I had only ever seen a little passport-like photo of, and I barely recognized them. I've also heard it said that some people who are incredibly beautiful/handsome in life photograph terribly and vice versa. I once saw a girl who I thought was extremely plain, she had makeup, hair and lighting applied as part of a fashion shoot, and became stunning. I remembered being stunned. It is something to do with the camera picking up bone structure in a way that the human eye doesn't privilege perhaps. Some people have theorized that when we talk to someone we see an animated face as attractive. Who knows though.

I do want to do this. I had terrible dental work done in my teens and they forced my teeth back. I don't have a lower jaw and my profile is very sunken. I have very large teeth and a very small jaw. It has also caused sinus problems and I'm beginning to think that my one leg shorter than the other is from the dental work.

I really think you look wonderful. And that is great your singing voice has more of a range. I'd love to sing. Can't at all!

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I'm glad that I could address some of your concerns. I would like to make a statement to potentially assuage your concerns regarding 'Alpha' personality types, as well, but I will do so later when I have more energy to recall the point.

I am sad to hear that your face has become distorted, but you will surely attain a more aesthetically appealing profile through performing NCR, and through face-pulling. My own profile, which was also very sunken in the past, has changed considerably. Furthermore, if any nagging doubt lingers in your mind, let me assure you that there are many benefits in letting go of the distorted features which have, in my cases, become like a second ego that has become grafted onto our consciousness. The benefits would seem to defy my ability to express them effectively in words, but I can say confidently that with an optimized facial-bone structure comes a more integrated, peaceful, and majestic life.

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Tyler, your FP results are astounding!

In examining your method to determine how you were achieving this, I realized the only (IMO) significant difference was that you were pulling from your back molars whereas I was pulling from my eye-teeth.

Now, I have been using a mouthguard with shoelaces instead of the retainer and helmet.  My belief though is that although both of these devices are obviously very physically different, they should perform the same task ie. applying a light forward force on the maxilla.

So the other night I moved the shoelaces to the back molars and tried FP. 

Success!  I actually felt slight soreness in my cheekbones and eye area.  Chills too.  And after treatment, as I lay in bed, I felt warmth rushing through me.  I also felt extremely energetic and happy.  I had not previously experienced anything like this in all my FP attempts.

I've only been doing this a couple days, so I need more time to accurately determine if it is working.  I am hopeful now though that I can achieve results like Tyler!

Finally a couple question for Tyler:  Have you treatment more than once a day at all?  I initially found myself craving treatment, much like I did with NCR.  I indulged this craving yesterday though, treating several times, so the feeling has much subsided today.  I was planning on indulging until I gained an aversion to treatment (like I did with NCR).  I know the orgoneproducts guys have strongly urged against over-treatment though, so I am a little apprehensive.  I do believe though that over-treatment requires excessive treatment over an extended period of time, whereas I feel my aggressive initial treatment will eventually settle into something gentler and more consistent.  I believe over-treatment requires not listening to one's body as to whether things are improving or not.  I think it requires a conscious mind's impatience ignoring what the body is saying.  Anyways Tyler, do you have any experience of thoughts on this matter?

Did you experience soreness beyond the first few treatments Tyler?  Or did things eventually "settle down" as your body became accustomed to treatment?  Can you describe any symptoms you experience during and after treatment?

Thanks!

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With pleasure.

After treating myself for nearly two months, I still experience mild soreness after pulling; and, occasionally, I experience soreness during, albeit I always proceed until half an hour is up. Certainly, I have been tempted to do treat myself in excess, but I have only treated myself once per day.

I cannot offer any insight regarding excessive treatment, but I do not recommend it. The author of the blog you indicated in your recent post suggested that his own progress was delayed by six months because of excessive pulling, so I do not wish to tempt fate - nor do I encourage you to do so.

Unfortunately, I cannot say that my circumstance accurately reflects your own because, so far, I have not experienced any sensation of relaxation and peacefulness during treatment, yet I am not certain why this is so. It is worth noting that I am a very vigilant individual, which may account for the seeming lack of endorphin-release. Nevertheless, I experience occasional soreness in my cheekbones, so I know that the procedure is working. Evidently, the photographic evidence that I have provided can offer some manner of testimony, as well.

I did not see results immediately. Furthermore, because I have a habit of obsessing over my appearance in the mirror, my own gradual progress has been rendered invisible to my vision.

I encourage you to take at least one self-portrait now, so that you have something to look back on, if you possess only a poor-quality camera. You need not feel obligated to share your results, as there will certainly be enough testimonies in the future as these procedures become more widespread. By capturing an image, however, you will be able to gauge your own gradual changes. To that end, it is something that occasionally brightens my day, and lifts my spirits in times when I am not feeling excited about anything.

P.S. I feel that my communication in this instance is quite sterile; hence, I overlooked the fact that I felt an incredible amount of happiness while reading your post! Knowing that you managed to succeed makes me very glad. I look forward to hearing more about your progress in the future!
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EDIT:  ***PLEASE SEE THE THREAD "What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring" FOR MY UPDATE ON FP AND CRANIAL RESTRUCTURING***

I've been having great success with face-pulling the last few days and would like to share my method.

Please note that I've only been using this method for a few days, so things may be subject to change ie.  I hope I'm not jumping the gun here. 

I am not following the conventional method with the retainer and hockey mask.  Instead I am using a mouthguard with a shoelace attached (sorry for the terrible picture!):


It cost less that $5 for materials.

Holes are punched (I used a kitchen knife) near the eye-teeth and by the back-molars (these holes I made along the "crease" ie. where the mouthguard goes from horizontal to vertical as this is the sturdiest part of the mouthguard.  I use a single shoelace which goes along the back as it creates a sturdier structure.

To use, I simply put it in my mouth, hold it in place gently with my tongue (tongue is above the lace at the back), and pull on the laces with my hands.

I have found pulling hard on the laces works best for me.  If I can't feel anything in my skull then I am not pulling hard enough.  I also prefer to pull more frequently but for shorter durations.

Results so far (sorry, no pictures) are similar to Tyler's ie. stronger brow, more prominent cheekbones, stronger chin, more horizontal and defined jawline.  I am amazed at the results I have achieved in so short a period of time.

IMO, NCR and FP achieve very different results.  NCR is improving my skull shape, symmetry, taller forehead, and other more subtle changes.  FP simply pulls the maxilla forward.  However, this creates drastic changes in the face.  If done successfully, I believe FP can rapidly improve looks and function. 

I am very grateful to have discovered both these techniques!

So if anyone is interested in attempting FP but doesn't have a retainer or hockey helmet, give this method a try.  It is so easy and there is almost nothing to lose (except a few dollars)!   
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Your method is very ingenious, Walrus! I might try it out in the future, just so I have something to compare against the hockey mask method. Lately, I have also been curious about what I will refer to as 'face-spiraling'; appropriately, referring to the updated procedure which Plato describes in vague detail on his web site. I am beginning to wonder how this procedure might be improved on... yet I presently have trouble imagining what Plato might be describing.

I have attached another photograph to demonstrate my progress. It has now been approximately 60 days since I started (previously thought to be 70).

My progress has seemed to slow down lately, in that the changes are no longer as pronounced; however, the space between my eyebrows where you can easily detect a shadow is becoming closer to becoming "closed" as my nose is drawn outward to smooth out the area. The expression in my eyes also seems much different now. I am not certain why it is so, but my complexion is also remarkably healthier-looking. In the past, I possessed a pasty, sickly complexion that received many comments; yet, while I have not spent any significant period of time tanning in the sun, my "pale" complexion is now a rosy peach colour that I am growing quite fond of, and which has received positive compliments.
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Hi there,

Thanks for the mouthguard idea! Did you buy a single mouthguard (for just the top row of teeth), or a double one?