Break the Matrix

I've started wearing reverse pull headgear with my palate expander in a hope to bring my palate forward, but I'm feeling a backwards force on the chin. I know on the page about face pulling with a hockey helmet you have to push the helmet away with your hand so it's just affecting the upper palate, but I don't think it's practical to do that over long periods of time. Any advice?

I thought I was feeling negative effects from it, such a shame as I thought I could fully start treatment! It feels okay when I use my had to push it away so i guess I'll just have to face pull for a small amount every day, but I won't expect great results from that as I think it needs to be constant light pulling. Have you got any ideas for your design improvement?

There's a thread on this site, where a few users tried a mouthguard and a shoelace.  They got a moldable mouthguard, (think Amazon sells), punched holes in it to thread the shoelace through, inserted over teeth, and proceeded to pull the laces upwards/forwards with their hands.  They posted a photo of it on,  'What are people's face pulling experiences?'  thread.

Looks like there's no force on the chin or forehead.  But,  I wonder if having something over the teeth would mess up the bite...Maybe if it's only done a few mins at a time, it's ok

Yes, but I want something to wear at least 8 hours a day. I used to pull with a mouthguard a long time ago and It didn't show results in the first month so I stopped

Yeah I'm the same as improvement, I want to wear something for long periods of time. I used to use that method and I did feel positive effects from it but I think it needs to be replicated over longer periods of time.
That's a good idea with the rod thing, saves designing a completely new piece, just take the previous idea of reverse pull headgear and change it slightly.
With the retainer its got no coverage of the teeth, do you thing it matters I'm pulling with my palate expander?

Improvement I would definitely like braces when I'm older, plus professional treatment for my TMJ if I have the money. I'm trying to incorporate long term face pulling into my routine, as the experiments I've seen with results face pull for long periods at a time. My reverse pull headgear works but only if I hold it a certain way. I want something I can use overnight. I'm thinking of getting a facebow as I couldn't have to hold it, but I'm unsure how it works. Anyone have any idea?

I think it would be more comfortable than the reverse pull headgear as it doesn't have anything pushing against the forehead or chin.
I can see what you mean but I think it's the best way to wear the headgear for a long period of time without having to hide away wearing it all through the day.
I'm desperate to find a forward pulling headgear that works! Seen a number of studies showing the benefits. Theres one with monkeys where they wore it for 24 hours a day, and after 3months their wisdom teeth erupted.

Ah right okay, so expand first then bring the expanded palate forward?
That seems doable, im concerned that if I don't do the two at the same time I will develop worse facial features. Is it possible for as the palate to expand it comes forward by itself?

Ah I understand, I meant because I have a good side which is tight and forward and a bad side which is down and set back that when it expands it starts to match the looser side and not the tighter side. If that makes sense