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My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
« on: July 31, 2015, 12:07:37 pm »
Hello guys,

So I finally decided  to create this Self NCR and Face Pulling Diary. I have finally got my custom made retainer style appliance with 4 "hooks" instead of 2 a couple of days ago as I did not have braces.
I have been reading a lot for the last couple of months and finally am doing it.
But first a little bit about me:
I have always been considered attractive, even though I have a receeding jaw, which makes me have a double chin sometimes even though I have not much fat, no cheek bones and a rather long face. Probably because of hair style, hygiene, clothes, muscles etc. But still I want to maximize my facial attractivness but this is not the main point why I am doing this.
I more want to just get healthy and fix some health problems etc. also just become as I was intented to be. I also wanted to make space for my 2 remaining left wisdom tooth, as the removal of the other 2 was horrible and I do not want to do that again. This also led me here. On top of this I try to get lots of sleep, workout, good nutrition, chew tough chewing gum and practice tongue posture which is still very hard. So enough about me, lets just begin with the diary. I am writing most of those first 6 days from memory.
I am writing this diary even though the forum seems to be dead, as I think maybe someone will find this forum like me and read this and maybe get something out of this for their own treatment. Of course I would also greatly appreciate anyone reading this, who already knows how things need to be done to give me sime tips.

Day 1:
This was the day the NCR stuff finally arrived. I tried it and it was freaking hard to attach the finger cot to the bulb but I kinda managed it. I could not imagine how to get the finger cot in the nasal passages before and even after trying I do not know how to do it right. I tried every passage on both sites even though I wanted to make an asymetrical treatment, but I treated the left more than the right side. I dont think I did it right, and most of the time my nose started to get bigger while inflating the balloon, and I do not think this is how it is supposed to be. Anyway I think something happened and my nose got a little bit straighter.

Day 2:
This time I tried treating the right side. Same as the last time. Nose felt a little bit straighter again.

Day 3:
This time I treated the left side again. Nothing new. I still do not think I can do it right. I think maybe my finger cots are too small and I still dont think I really get correctly into the nasal passages and into that open space.

Day 4:
I wanted to take a break from NCR this day and now only treat every second day, as this was what I orignally intended to do. But the  Face pulling retainer finally arrived ( I tried building one from a mouthguard like from the website and like Walrusses but I failed).
So first face pulling session. I was really excited as this was what I was really waiting for. I took the hooks that were more in the front  of the teeth and started. Even though it felt good, it was boring and it will probably be hard to do this every day for half an hour, for a year but I guess this is just what it takes and I am going to do it.
But one problem arised, I got red marks from the paper clippers, which luckily faided after like an hour, but still not nice if I want to spontaneously do something. I dont want my social life to suffer.
Also during treatment it was very tiring to hold up the helmet and my hands fell asleep.

Day 5:
NCR still nothing new.
Face Pulling: This time was much better. I wore a hat under the helmet and adjustet the chin strap (btw got the same helmet as plato just to make everything as close as possible) and now it fitted very good. It was not tiring to hold it up, but my hands and arms still kinda fell asleep. This time I also chose the hooks farther back, in hope of not getting the marks of the paper clips. And it worked and I even got better release I think. But now I kinda have marks around the nose from the mouth beeing in an akward open position because of the rubber bands. If I can eliminate that, I would be lucky.

Day 6:
No NCR today.
But Facepulling. It was like the day before, but still the marks around the nose and this time from the bands at the base of the lips too. I really dont like this. I mean they fade like after half an hour - an hour but it still bugs me. I dont want to damage my skin in the long run. What is the point of having better facial symmtery, maxilla etc if your skin is damaged in the process? I hope that I can eliminate that problem.

Day 7:
I tried a little bit of a different setup but again those marks arised, even though the marks around the nose seemed to be not as strong as before. The Face Pulling itself feeled good, but is really boring. I mean I am watching some series during the time, but normally I dont watch anything no TV etc just some vids on youtube that interest me. I spend my day more like working out, becoming a better version of myself and doing what I love but I guess I can fit that in there. Especially now since I have holidays right now.
NCR: I treated the left side again and finally at the top nasal passage, I felt something going more in my throat. I tried to replicate what I did in the other passages but I could not get it right. Looking forward to the next session and maybe I should get bigger finger cots. I maybe should also spent a session trying to figure it out and trying a bit more, without worrying that I do too much in one day.


So that is it guys, Day 7 was today. I am going to edit the post or comment with some news. I am very positive with this treatment and really am optimistic that it can change something for the better, and highly believe that it will help me to become the way god intended me to be. But still as you could read I dont think I can do the NCR stuff right yet and I think if I can get better at it I will get very good results. I also have to make some adjustments to the Face Pulling.
Guys I have to be honest with you, I do not know if there is any visible change right now, but I think my cheek bones came out a little bit from the Face pulling and my nose got a little bit straighter from the NCR. It is hard to see a difference as you see yourself in the mirror everyday, and I especially tend to look very hard for changes every time I do something. But I still think something changed. It will be better to tell something when  a more time has passed, like one week, 2 weeks,  or a month. I will keep you updadet.

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EDIT Day 8:
So I just finished todays Face Pulling. Marks around nose seem to be very little today, but still some marks at the base of the lips from the rubber bands. The Face Pulling itself was very pleasuring. I always feel very relaxed and kind of tired after the Face Pulling. A little bit more grounded.

EDIT Day 9 and 10:
Ok so yesterday I noticed something that changed everything for the better. While I still could not improve with NCR and I could not replicate the feeling I once got sadly, though I ordered new bigger finger cots.
But with Face Pulling, I progressed. I reread what I read on the orgoneproducts blog and on Tylers Face Pulling Tutorial on this website, and they were both talking about pulling very gently and avoiding over pulling. While I first thought when I read this a while ago, that they meant that you should not pull more than 30 minutes, it was actually also about how hard you pulled. And even though I thought I do not really pull hard, I did pull very hard. I kinda thought hey, I actually do not want to pull less, because I feel it right now and what if I waste my time if I pull gently? But I tried it anyway and hey it worked, it was very good. I did not have any marks after it, just at the base of the lip from the rubber bands very little which disappeared very fast and just pulling a little bit, I really felt it better than before. It is hard to explain, while pulling at least I have the tendency to pull harder if I do not pay attention without really noticing a difference but it actually makes a difference and then I have to go back and pull lighter again.
After treatment I actually feel it better in my maxilla now and I feel very good. I get like an endorphine rush and like Tyler said, I am really looking forward to each treatment now, as it is such a good feeling. I already notice how my tongue fits better in my mouth and my face seems to come forward and become more "squared", the cheekbones also seem to come out. But just the feeling is worth it.
Face Pulling is defenitly the way to go and now I just have to get the NCR right. IMO the problems with NCR I have right now, is attaching the Finger Cot correctly, as I think you have to have a certain technique, because sometimes I attach the finger cot and than when I inflate it, it turns sideways which is probably bad. The second problem is not really getting into the nasal passages and in the open space correctly and the third is probably finger cot size, which is going to be fixed soon.
I will keep you updated, and btw sorry for any mistakes as I am writing this really fast and I am not a native english speaker.

Edit Day 11:
Holy **** guys, I am hyped. Today, Face Pulling was as good as always. But I finally, finally made some progress and release with NCR. So apparently, I have been doing it wrong all those days, but this is to be expected as someone who has never had NCR and only has some material to read. I guess everybody will do it wrong the first couple of times. But I finally did it.
So here is what I did today. First of all, I spend very long on attaching the finger cot to the bulb. It took me very long and I had to use 2 times dental floss, but the end result was that it was inflating and staying straight. Than I spent some good time rereading, some posts here. I have been reading the thing with slightly inflating in the turbinate and then pushing through into the open space. That should be the crictical and groundbreaking component. I focused on this since session two probably and I thought I was doing it, but today I really did it after rereading everything. I now carefully tried to direct it towards the nasal passages, and I think I really got every single one on the right side today, which is the only side I treated today, than I made ONE FULL pump, and than really focused on pushing through while twisting the device, than I made some FULL pumps again and it worked, it slipped into the open space, you could really feel it, and holy crap, this is really a weird feeling, but now I get why they call it the open space, you really feel it. After continuing the pumps, I quickly started gagging, probably every time after a total of only 3 pumps, but I really felt it in my ear and the right side of my face, but than it got into the throat and started gagging me, I really thought I was dying right there, than I quickly deflated it and did it with every passage on the right side and than again with the lower. I think Ive got a little bit of popping one time, also. So right now I have to get over that gagging and suffocating so I can make 5 full pumps and get some good release. But I guess this is gonna take a couple of treatments till I get used to it and everything stretches and I become more confident with the treatment.
Right now I am really happy and hyped, and I hope someone, who is going to read this someday, who has the same problem as me,  is going to found some help. Until nexttime!

Day 12:
Oh man, today after I did the Face Pulling, suddenly my vision became very blurred. I had this a couple of times in the future followed by a headache that usually lasted a little bit until I layed down for like an hour or so. But this time I drank and than came the headache very hard. I layed down and it went away. Than I went eating, and shortly after that, the blurred vision and the headache came back very hard. So I decided to lay down  to sleep. The vision is pretty much normal now but the headache is still very strong on the right side. I think this comes from the NCR and is like one of those "detox effects" Ben spoke about in his treatment protocol.
The headache is very hard, and I can only remember having such a strong headache  very few times in my life, as I am not much of a headache guy. Maybe I also reexperience some kind of trauma.
I actually wanted to treat the left side today very badly and was looking forward to it since yesterday, but I think now it is better to not do anything today anymore. Today I would also normally have a leg-workout at the gym with deadlifts and squats, but sadly I think I have to put this off, too. I just hope this will go away during the day and tomorrow will be better.
After the Face Pulling, my jaw was also very sore, during not so much, but after it the lower jaw really was sore, which was not the case prior, and it still kinda is when I move my mouth. I think the NCR loosened  the structures a bit.
Time will tell. Does anyone maybe have  any tips?

Day 13:
Yesterday the headaches started to get less around evening and eventually subsided at night. So today I did the Face Pulling very carefully, and I was only able to pull very light. Hopefully I am not pulling to light now. But my jaw and cheekbones were sore, so I guess it was enough. As to physical changes I can say that the face seems to come forward and cheek bones come out. My right side though seems to came out more and is now wider than the left side. This is why I wanted to treat the left side with NCR. I was kinda scared of the NCR today and did not want to get any headaches. But I could not get the balloon in any of the nasal passages of the left side. I tried many many times and even though I did not want to treat the right side, I decided to still do it, because I did not want to waste the treatment and look if I can even do it right on the right side. I could do it very easily on the right side, and even better than last time. The gag reflex kicks in very fast though.

Day 14:
I was kinda nervous before the FP, because I was afraid of the headaches and the blurred vision, I got the other time after the day I did NCR, but everything turned out fine.

Day 15:
Again I was really looking forward towards the NCR because I really wanted to treat the left side. I really see and feel how it needs some treatment, but again I tried many many many times over 2 seperate times a day but I just could not get it into the nasal passages. I ended up poking against the wall with the snipped q-tip all the time and everytime it seemed like I kinda got it into  a passage I inflated it and it was not right and just inflated in my nose. I tried the right side again and it just slipped in, I did not even have to push and twist anymore it just imediately got into the open space. I treated every right nasal passage and got some release. I get better with it and more comfortable. I still gag though, and can not get full 5 pumps sometimes. I hear some popping though and feel some expansion, but mostly through the right side I think. My ear also feels like when you are on an airplane.
But I am kinda sad and demotivated that I cant do it on the left side. It just seems as if I do not even have nasal passages on the left side. It really needs some treatment though, my face is kinda getting asymmetrical and the right side is growing much better than the right side. I really would appreciate some help, if someone ever had this problem. 
I am sure I will be able to do it next time!!!


EDIT Day 16:
When I do the Face Pulling now, I get marks from the head. I even tried a less thicker version but still marks, but mostly on the right side. This has not been there in the beginning at all. I do not get it. Perhaps my head has gotten bigger and is now pressing against the hockey helmet more. The marks around the nose and mouth returned again, as I had to change my setup sadly. I wonder how Plato, Ian and Tyler and all those sucssesfull Face Pullers did not have this problem.
NCR was very unsatisfiying today. I wanted to treat the left side and you guessed right it did not work. So I tried a couple hours later again, this time with the bigger balloons I ordered. It was even worse, those "bigger" finger cots are even worse, they are actually smaller and inflate nearly the same, it was harder so I could not do it at all, I tried it again on the right side, but it did not even work there. So I was dissapointet and did not do it again, as it takes so long to adjust a finger cot. I really do not know what to do now. I would like to go to a NCR practionier to get the ball roling, but I do not even have one in my whole country.

EDIT Day 17:
I changed the finger cots again, and tried it endless times on the left side and could still not get it. This is so devastating.
After this, I did the right side again. I got some good release with the two lower passages. But than came the upper one. Oh my god, it was crazy, I pumped felt the expansion, and than I felt the balloon in my throat but I was only at 3 or 4 pumps, and I never got to more at the upper passage so I pumped one more time, and it felt like the finger cot blocked my complete airway and throat as it was stuck, this was the worst feeling I ever got. I mean normaly it already feels as if you are going to suffocate, but this time it was very very bad. I released the valve and it did not work for like 5-10 seconds. I tried to pull the balloon out while doing this, and it just did not release the air and was not getting out. I could not breathe during this time. I really, really thought I was going to day. This was horrible. My heart started pumping so hard, and after this I was in shock.
This NCR is scary, you really have to be careful. I was probably just being to shocked and not calm enough during this incident.

EDIT Day 18-20:
Ok so last time I still could not get it into the left nasal passages. I treated the right side very carefully. I hope I am not using not enough pressure and making it worse.
Face Pulling always fels good but is really getting boring. What bugs me are the marks I get from the hat and the bands.

Day 21:
But here comes the nice little update. Today I just did NCR again. I was able to treat the top left passage finally. I was not able to treat the others, I just can not get it into the passages. It really seems as if theres are no other nasal passages, as I end up always poking against solid structure, there are no holes/passages. I think they are really, really tight but I do not know how to lenghten them. I hope this just will come with time as I treat further and further and everything has more space. Now that I think about it, in my previous attempts, the top one really always was the closest I could get the balloon in, so I was always nearly able to do it at the top left one but the others I just havenīt been able to do anything at all. I really can not even get it into the passage, and if I think that I may be in the passage finally, even though it does not feel completly right, I pump and the balloon just inflates inside of the nose and comes out.
I also used aloe vera gel as a lubricant, but I found out that it contains a couple of questionable and poisoness ingredients from the brand I purchased and I definetly dont want them inside my head and not in my body at all, so today I took extra virgin olive oil, I wonder if that had something to do with it today.
I also plan to treat the left side next time again, and if I am only going to be able to treat the top one again, I am also going to treat the right side.


« Last Edit: August 17, 2015, 12:04:37 pm by DS_Slash »

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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2015, 01:43:03 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 01:46:45 pm »
Nice.
You are also talking about Starecta in that course? Do you have any pictures or anything like that? I am interested in Starecta but wanted to wait till there are a little more information about it.

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 12:04:55 pm »
Day 23:
I really think there are more ways you can do the face pulling. I still have to find the optimal or right approach to it. Like finding the right angle etc.
NCR was kinda dissapointing. Again I tried very often and I could not get it into the nasal passages on the left side, even though I did it in the top left one last time. I was actually really optimistic that I could do it atleast there but this was not the case. Also on the right side, it was kinda strange. I noticed that I could only pump 3 times before it closes my throat up and I start to gag and cough. I am afraid that I pump not enough and thus increase the pressure, while not releasing it.
I would like to have one treatment done, to get everything going but there really are no possibilities.
Before and during treatment I am also a little bit afraid and maybe my body is tensing up because of this.

Day 25:
NCR same experience as always. The left side did not work it is impossible to get it into the nasal passages. So I moved on to the right side. I did the top passage first, this time I really wanted to pump enough, so 5 times fast and no releasing to early. So I really made a comittment to it and did it. The feeling when it goes into the throat is horrible but you really have to remain calm and everything will work out.
Then I wanted to the middle passage.  After one pump the finger cot "exploded". It did not really explode but it bursted. Luckily after only one pump, as it was already unpleasant. I decided to quit for today and do it tomorrow again, because the attaching of the finger cot is just a very straining thing and it takes like forever and I did not want to do it  times in a row.
We will see how time goes on.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 06:04:34 am »
One Month UPDATE

Ok so I think it has been roughly a month, at least since I started Face Pulling. Since my last update I did not do any Self NCR because I was kinda uncomfortable and it did not work. I want to get new Aloe Vera Gel or lube, because it didnt really work with olive oil IMO, but I have to wait till the beginning of the new month.
So Face Pulling, I figured I have been pulling "wrong" and too hard many many times. So I reawatched the FP video on Platos Website many times and reread the article and also listened to the interview with him and Kevin.
I think I finally have got it, but still I am not 100 percent sure but I am probably doing it quite alright! But it has been only a couple of days since then. The only thing that bothers me is that I get those nasty marks again at the lips from the rubber bands and also those kinda like nasolabial marks. I do not know how to prevent this and especially the marks around the lips are uncomfortable during the treatment because the rubber bands basically cut into the lips. I have really no idea how to prevent it. If anyone had the same problem and solved it, please tell me about it.
Even though I have been pulling "wrong" the face still has come forward quite a bit. My cheekbones especially the right, as this was the side where I did all the NCR, came out a little bit and my chin seems also more forward, the mandible seems to be a bit more horizontal, too! I do not see any changes in my body though, like better posture (maybe very subtle). I was really looking forward to this, like better posture, taller, expanding rib cage but I have hope that this will come as I have not been pulling optimally and only did a little bit of NCR on the right side.
Another aesthetic thing I can speak of, is that in the past, when I was wearing a hat, I never really liked the look of it with my face, it seemed so round and childish, but now when I wear the hat for Face Pulling, I am starting to like it more and more, as my face is becoming much more "edgy" and 3D. Another thing is that my head definetly has become bigger, because the helmet does not sit as loose as in the beginning and I also started to get marks from my hat.
Some nice other changes are, that I feel that I can breath better and also have more space in my mouth. This indicates a bigger palate. My tongue also fits much better in my mouth and now I can keep it there much better and longer. My lower wisdom tooth on the left side also comes out. It started shortly after starting this whole process and was a little bit infected at first but now it seems to come out very good. In the past this would not been possible, because my jaw had no space for them at all.
My biggest question is though, what will happen if there will be a day where you canīt facepull. I hope the structure wonīt regress, but I do not think so. For example in a week I am going to be away for 2 days and it will be impossible to do the Face Pulling for those 2 or even 3 days, which makes me quite sad. I am also on a class trip in october and wont be able do the FP for even 5 days. Weīll see!
I am excited to see what still comes!  I am going to continue posting some major experiences here in this diary.
If anyone is actually reading this, feel free to ask questions or suggest things.
Until Nextime!
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 12:05:55 pm »
UPDATE:

I have finally bought the high quality lube. I was really excitied to do NCR again. But when I wanted to attach the balloon to the bulb, it started again. First of all, I find it weird that not all my ballons seem to inflate the same, those last ones were all not good I remember now and this was one of the reasons I stopped. Well than I start, with the lube it seemed very promising but dried after like one try, so I am dissapointed. As you can imagine the  left side did not work  again, it is actually quite uncomfortable and it hurts to direct the balloon on the left side. On the right side I could not get it done either, the cot seemed way to short (as I said those cots are weird, when I roll them out they all have the same length but when I attach them they change in length and also inflate differently). I am dissapointed. I think maybe it is the balloons, but my technique certainly is not optimal either. The thing though is, that I could do it those couple of times on the right side and it just doesnt seem to work.
I am really dissapointet and helpless guys, I really want to do the Self-NCR. Man why did I have to find this forum so late, when everything seems to be dead here.
Ben I need your help, I really need it! I now I usually did not want to say that and sound desperate but I kinda am and I really really need your help. If there is any chance of you reading this, please contact me. I know you do not want people to do it yourself, but I already tried and did it a couple of times, I just need those nuances and a little help from you.  I am aware of the risks, please just help me.

BTW,  when I tried it with just water as lubricant it did not feel that bad, actually kinda better, still didnt work though.


Also tomorrow I am going to be away for 2 and a half days. I am going to wake up very early, just to do one more session of face pulling. On saturday I want be able to do it at all but I hope I can do it sunday evening/night when I return so at least one day without face pulling. I really wonder what is going to happen.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2015, 11:00:56 am »
UPDATE:

Ok so it has been a couple of weeks since my last update, so I figured it is time to make another one.

I think I have finally figured out the correct Face Pulling technique. A couple of times I did it right in the past I think but it has been only one week since I did this and the changes are tremendously. I noticed immediatly how better I felt, how much more relaxing the procedure itself was and I feel in general now. I feel more grounded and more comfortable. I feel like I can breathe better and have better posture. Also people treat me differently. The girls I entcounter on a daily are much more receptive, they want to touch me and look it me when they think I do not see it. I feel like I have a much more dominating presence and I have been only doing it like this now for a week and a half maybe. I also feel this state of inner hapiness and drive even more than in the past and continously when I am by myself. Not thinking any negative thoughts anymore much more happy with myself and much more in the moment.
I just pull light now, really really light and I relax in the stretch and really feel my jaw moving now. My cheekbones are also comfortably sore all the time now because in addition I have my tongue on the roof of my mouth.
I always had this tendency to pull way too hard but even when I wanted to pull harder I fell into my old habits after some time.

Now to NCR. Nothing is working, I tried it every day for the last weeks and I was not succesful once. I just simply can not get it into the turbinates now, neither left nor right. I am desperate, because I really want this and know how I could benefit from this. But I am just not getting it and I do not understand. When I read through this and other forums everbody seems to have such an easy time, doing this procedure but I just can not get it and I do not know why. And on top of this, this forum is basically dead and everybody who gives advice either is not here anymore or just does not want to because they are afraid of being responsible for someone potentially getting hurt. Though it is my own decision that I want that, if I get hurt it is entirely my own responsibelity but I guess it is useless to beg for support here, because nobody is willing to. I just hope someone might read my experiences and have an easier time, bettering their life.

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 07:31:27 am »
Have you thought about going to a NCR specialist first so you know how it feels when being done the right way? I've read that you're german. So the next would be either "Schwarzwald" (Neural Cranial Intergration - something very similar to NCR - http://www.medicenter-baiersbronn.de/) or in London (Ian Hedley).

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2015, 08:34:03 am »
Hey,
yeah I did, I actually also written about it in the diary somewhere but I have never found someone here in germany. I actually searched so so long and nothing appeared, and than you come with this link.

Well the thing is, I also know how it is supposed to feel like, I have been successfull a couple of times, but only on the right side, but for 2 months now, I just cant get it into the turbinates.

Are you doing Self-NCR also?

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2015, 12:25:52 pm »
Oh well, I haven't read all your posts - sry

No, my nasal septum is deviated so I first want to do it with a professional.

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2015, 12:31:03 pm »
UPDATE:

Hey guys it has been long time since I wrote something on here. Did not have the time etc. So it seems like the Face Pulling progress is slowing down but it still feels very good and relaxing and I am still seeing and feeling results.

But back to the problem child NCR again. Letīs just say I tried. Often. Very often. I basically try every day and I can not even get it into the turbinates. They seem super tight. I dont know whats wrong. This always feels like super devastating and like a waste of time. But I know what kind of benefits you can expect. I know how it could help me fix my problems. So I will keep going.
But the problems already start when attaching the finger cot. And then when I want to direct it into the turbinates it just wont work. I would really like to have some help, someone who could guide me a little bit.
I am keeping you updated.


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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2015, 01:14:44 pm »
Hey Ds Slash and others!,

I just signed up here, but i've been reading about NCR/face pulling for the last couple of weeks. Too bad your NCR is not working out! It does seem difficult to me, so I'm suprised others find it easy apparently. It's cool your face pulling does work though, in the softer approach that you later started.

I was wondering how you how you think the face pulling results are going (so not right now, but overal)?

- Do you notice it in your face alot? Has alot changed there? What did you see changing? Did your face get wider..more cheekbones...and did your brow change? For example, is it comparable to tyler's face pulling, or is the difference smaller (although apparently he did NCR too, although I'm not sure if he did that before or after the result pics) I take it you dont hafve pictures or do you ? (or maybe you can email me but if you dont wanna thats ok too!)
- I also wondered where you got your custom retainer. I'd like to get one too, but I'm not sure what the best way to start is. I can imagine someplace online is the easiest?

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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2015, 02:10:53 pm »
Hey Ryan,

to be honest I kinda feel like the face pulling is plateauing a bit, like the progress seems to slow down and I do not feel it that much anymore.

But the changes are there, though I do not think they are as massive as Tylers. I definetly have a little bit of a wider face, better jaw line more pronounced cheek bones and my tongue fits better in my mouth.

I saw in Transformes thread, that you asked about the personality changes. The truth is, that is the real reason I started, and because I wanted to imrpove things like narrow rib cage and posture etc.
I think there really is some change, but it is really subtle and it takes really a lot of time. Like maybe after a year or so, the changes in the personality will be really feelable. I hope that helps.

If I were you, I would search the web for some kind of online dental lab that does this. Show them the pictures of the retainer on platos website and ask them if they could make one for you. That is how I did it at least.

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2015, 03:18:21 pm »
ok thanks for the reply . great you answered those questions too. I thought of them after I asked you. I think personality may even be harder to answer, as you are always trapped within yourself with your own perfection. If you become happier, you might think view things in your life as better, while actually just your own perception changed.

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2015, 02:11:41 pm »
I really think that personality depends very much on structure. Like for example all those guys with high testosterone have amazing jaws and big skulls. I think that if the skull is small and the bones and the jaw and the maxilla are not fully developed, it not only excerts pressure on your brain but also traps your personality. If you are familiar with the work of Wilhelm Reich and Alexander Lowen, you know that both of them thought that the body and the mind are tightly interconnected and that "your body is your mind". Also they thought that all kinds of personality disorders (arise because of childhood experiences and than) manifest themselves in the body due to muscular armoring etc and by releasing that muscular armoring, that tension in your body you can eliminate those disorders. But I think the missing link was the maxilla, or the skull in general. Those techniques release tension in the skull and grow new bone or expand it I believe. I really think that you can get changes with this but the big changes will only be visible if you connect everything and than after more time has passed like a year so. The question is just how far you can go with that. That is just my personal opinion and thought process. We will see, it certainly does not do any harm.


UPDATE:
Also I wanted to briefly update my NCR experiences. Today I could kinda get it into the turbinates but only on the right sides again sadly. However I was not able to push through into the open space and get the good release. I pumped a little bit and felt that I am actually in turbinates but I really did not get any release. This is still some major progress though. I feel like I am getting closer again and I know eventually I will reach it. Very soon. Iīll keep you updated.