Author Topic: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?  (Read 1353 times)

menapilo

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First time posting here. I'm thinking about starting FP and NCR as soon as I get all the gadgets needed.

My face now:

1. My mandible is somewhat short, the vertical length is 10 cm (4 inches) but I also think it sits too far back. Look at the first pic, the red line is my estimated guess of the angle of the ramus. In the second pic I have pushed my mandible forward and I think the angle looks normal there.

2. My nose looks like it's rotated upward. Look at pic 1, the yellow line has the same angle as the cartilage in the lower part of my nose, that explains why it looks the way it does. I have thought about adding more cartilage there so that I get a more manly nose.

3. My sloping forehead.


All these 3 thing make the other 2 look worse. The face is convex + an odd nose for a man.


Will FP make my nose point even more upward?
Will FP change the position of my mandible so that I get a better balanced profile? (I haven't seen any profile pics from people that has had good results from FP)
Can NCR make my forehead less sloped? (Filling out the top part of my forehead)


The mouth guard plato showed (http://jawpain-tmjtreatment.com/images/nightguard-for-tmj.jpg) with metal wires, is that a cheap moldable thing or custom made from a lab?

Isn't the metal wire better than the shoelace method some people here have used?


What treatment is recomended to begin with? Does it matter?

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What I think happens from NCR/ballooning (I don't have as much exp with face pullers) is the zygomatic process, (cheekbone) tends to move/expand out so the way the mandible connects to the temporo-mandibular joint changes, so the mandible sometimes moves forward. However in your case it's pretty minor and the mandible is already well developed, but of course it could improve.

The sloped forehead can change as well for the better, this is more complicated..

Nose likely won't come down unless your nasal bones are essentially "pushed into" the skull, but judging by the photos it's hard to say if that's the case or if you just don't have much cartilage on the lower part of your nose. Can't win em all buddy. You can take mine :)

« Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 11:16:58 am by bstratt25 »

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Can anyone inform me if FP could make my nose even more up rotated and more pronounced? Thats the only thing that keeps me from starting the treatment.

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It seems hard to predict exactly what will happen, but take a look at Ian's before and after photos:

Here - check out the bottom picture of Before and After.

The position of his nose has changed greatly, in the same direction as you seem to want. The entire face has moved closer to the golden ratio. Note that he did both face pulling and NCR.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2014, 08:01:45 pm by Gaia »

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It seems hard to predict exactly what will happen, but take a look at Ian's before and after photos:

Here - check out the bottom picture of Before and After.

The position of his nose has changed greatly, in the same direction as you seem to want. The entire face has moved closer to the golden ratio. Note that he did both face pulling and NCR.

It looks that way. How come there are no profile shots taken of somebody that has been facepulling? Haven't seen a sinlge one.

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It seems hard to predict exactly what will happen, but take a look at Ian's before and after photos:

Here - check out the bottom picture of Before and After.

The position of his nose has changed greatly, in the same direction as you seem to want. The entire face has moved closer to the golden ratio. Note that he did both face pulling and NCR.

It looks that way. How come there are no profile shots taken of somebody that has been facepulling? Haven't seen a sinlge one.

Go to to the before/after photos thread for my profile after NCR and face pulling with my own hands.  Before pic is in 2010 before any work, and the after pic is after 6 NCR sessions and FP with hands.

For my nose, I'm using that device called a NasoFix.  My nose is wide, mis-contoured and highly undefined at the tip. It is also oval/bulbous and lacking sufficient definition.  The thing is supposed to reshape the cartilage.

And I want to try the CandyLipz for my actual lips.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 08:48:30 am by bstratt25 »

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Well at least I can't tell much difference since there are 2 different angles and 2 different facial expressions. Don't understand why there are so few profile shots of people who've had good results.

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Well at least I can't tell much difference since there are 2 different angles and 2 different facial expressions. Don't understand why there are so few profile shots of people who've had good results.

I absolutely agree menapilo !
And besides, please stop posting the very very same pictures in all the threads and all the different forums ! Personally for me, doing this makes the credibility of the NCR treatments whey less, because its starts looking like advertising campaign. To be honest the fact that there are so many people here, and so many threads and still however, the very same 2 people only have posted the same pictures like thousand times already rings a bell .

if this post gets deleted then thats a sure indication that something is really wrong...
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 05:11:12 am by paffalot »

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To be honest the fact that there are so many people here, and so many threads and still however, the very same 2 people only have posted the same pictures like thousand times already rings a bell

Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?

It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the original testimonial.

On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 09:00:13 am by bstratt25 »

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Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?

It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the original testimonial.

On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.

Well thats too bad, really. Not many people view this forum and the person posting pics will stay anonymous. That's what I am waiting for basically. To see evidence of peoples mandibles swinging forward.

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From my perspective studying it, I don't think face pulling is any more likely than NCR/endonasal inflations to bring the mandible forward. If it comes forward it should be because the temporozygomatic arch (maybe the entire zygomatic process) shifts laterally and that's just as likely to happen from NCR/inflations as face pulling. Look at this picture
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Temporomandibular+Joint+Anatomy&Form=IQFRDR#view=detail&id=7E2B760650D3515F2EC2E574C05F8B5A67BF7417&selectedIndex=167

The condyle/round part where the mandible connects into a socket in the back - there's a disc/connective tissue in there and ligaments holding connecting that part of the mandible to the temporozygomatic arch.. If the zygomatic arch moves out laterally the ligaments "loosen" or extend slightly over time and that's what could pull the mandible slightly forward. It's prob a little bit more complicated and I could be wrong it's just the only thing that makes sense to me.

You can see better on this photo, the stylomandibular ligament
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Temporomandibular+Joint+Anatomy&Form=IQFRDR#view=detail&id=168C0E875CAA7DB038B87486E1F8EC0BC91CB253&selectedIndex=141
« Last Edit: February 10, 2014, 01:14:30 pm by bstratt25 »

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Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?

It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the original testimonial.

On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.

The only two people who have posted pics are you and Messiah. I dont know how can you earn a referral from posting your pictures on the various forums, like zillion times per forum. And not to mention the very very same pictures. That being said, Messiah please dont do that its not needed and as i said it starts looking more like advertising campaign rather than sharing with the community. If this is advertising or you had verbal agreement with the NCR docs, then stop doing and tell em that for medical and health procedures no advertising is needed, simply because they should be judged by the results of the people (which nobody shares)

I dont know why people are not posting more before and afters. There are many users active quite a lot here and still nothing except superlative words about how "awesome" are the procedures. Which I dont deny at this point, but its just really weird, slightly selfish, starts looking a bit fake and counter-productive for the development of the people here
this was what i wanted to express
« Last Edit: February 11, 2014, 05:39:21 am by paffalot »

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Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?

It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the original testimonial.

On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.

The only two people who have posted pics are you and Messiah. I dont know how can you earn a referral from posting your pictures on the various forums, like zillion times per forum. And not to mention the very very same pictures. That being said, Messiah please dont do that its not needed and as i said it starts looking more like advertising campaign rather than sharing with the community. If this is advertising or you had verbal agreement with the NCR docs, then stop doing and tell em that for medical and health procedures no advertising is needed, simply because they should be judged by the results of the people (which nobody shares)

I dont know why people are not posting more before and afters. There are many users active quite a lot here and still nothing except superlative words about how "awesome" are the procedures. Which I dont deny at this point, but its just really weird, slightly selfish, starts looking a bit fake and counter-productive for the development of the people here
this was what i wanted to express

Paffalot, I begin my treatment tomorrow. I have had absolutely no engagement with NCR nor it's proponents, prior to my posts here.

I'll let you know how it goes, and post the pics, if possible.
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Okey Mate, hope that everything goes better than expected for you. Are you doing self-treatment or you will have to done by practitioners ?

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Yeah Paffalot, well I completely understand your perspective and mostly agree.

Wish I had could come up with a better solution than harassing people for photos.