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ThaGangsta

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Advice Needed for 17 Year Old
« on: July 28, 2017, 08:02:28 pm »
Hey folks,
I've visited this forum for the past 1.5 years, from when I first started mewing.  I have been mewing since turning 16, and have been slowly increasing my chewing load, from chewing 1 piece to chewing 3 pieces of gum at once, for 6 hours a day, while practicing proper tongue posture for the remainder of the time.  My chewing includes the spaces that my wisdom teeth are supposed to come in.  During the course of my 1.5 years of mewing, I have noticed some changes, such as masseter and ramus enlargement and correction of my slight overbite.  I have never had orthodontic treatment or extractions.  I was a heavy mouthbreather up to the age of around 9 (at nighttime due to tonsil enlargement).  I believe that I then learned to keep my mouth closed, with minimal tongue posture, as I have never seen any photograph of me with facial narrowing or elongation.  I only have one crowded lower incisor, while the rest of my teeth are straight.  My left maxillary wisdom has begun to come through straight, as of May, while the other is yet to come.  Both my mandibular wisdoms do seem to be mildly impacted by a couple millimeters. 

Is there anything I can do to un-impact my wisdoms over the course of the next few years, while pushing my maxilla upwards and forwards and making my mandible more horizontal and parallel to the floor?  I haven't grown in height since the age of 13.5-14.  I also have a non prominent chin: it is not projecting, nor is it receding or retruded.

I'm pretty sure that my parents will make me extract my wisdoms, should they remain impacted.  They don't seem to understand the harmful effects of extracting teeth, and they fear inflammation and infection of the wisdoms if not extracted.


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I also have a sister who is turning 9 in a couple of weeks.  She has had an open mouth posture for most of her childhood, and still has it now, due to adenoid hypertrophy.  Her palate is very narrow, and she shows facial lengthening and narrowing, and a tooth pattern that seems like a class 2 division 1 maloclussion.  She has very crowded lower incisors.  I have urged her to do proper tongue posture, but she finds it very difficult, and still has her lips and teeth apart.  She also fails to be diligent in chewing gum one hour per day.  Is there anything that I can do to improve her condition?  My parents are considering conventional orthodontics for her.






Please feel free to ask for any other details and I can provide my dental x ray (from 1 year ago) if necessary
« Last Edit: July 28, 2017, 08:15:03 pm by ThaGangsta »

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TheNo0n3

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Re: Advice Needed for 17 Year Old
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2017, 10:28:34 am »
I also have a sister who is turning 9 in a couple of weeks.  She has had an open mouth posture for most of her childhood, and still has it now, due to adenoid hypertrophy.  Her palate is very narrow, and she shows facial lengthening and narrowing, and a tooth pattern that seems like a class 2 division 1 maloclussion.  She has very crowded lower incisors.  I have urged her to do proper tongue posture, but she finds it very difficult, and still has her lips and teeth apart.  She also fails to be diligent in chewing gum one hour per day.  Is there anything that I can do to improve her condition?  My parents are considering conventional orthodontics for her.

Read this: http://www.debugyourhealth.com/orthodontics-and-cranial-structure/ . It was posted from a fellow user a few days before, pretty interesting read. And here with tongue they used something that will keep it on the top like something sticky, I mean read it, you are not going to regret it. Then again, I dont expect that you will start the procedures like the massages in the topic since you are only her brother and not a parent and they most likely wont trust you or believe you.

She most likely might often be with stuffed nose and not be able to breath through it. Plus not only that, I have told the thing about the maxilla to at least 6 adults my age and no one cares even the slightest. Just one took interest, but he just listened to what I told him about tongue and posture and does it, but has not researched the topic himself in any way. Even my ex, who studies orthodontic and teeth medicine(literal translation sorry lol), has worn orthodontic devices for 8 years, which were removed like a year ago and has no place for her teeth, so they start moving the moment she stops wearing those devices and her doctor wants to remove some of her teeth to make place. Despite this, she has absolutely no interest in orthotropics, tongue posture etc. My point is, what is left for a kid, pretty small chance she realises what you are trying to tell her, so she can be like oooohhh and start doing it with motivation. So try to convince your parents of the orthotropics and that most likely wont definitely be easy. Last resort, speak with the orthodontist himself, get out of your comfort zone(saying it in case you are pretty shy, but want to do the right thing), search for an orthodontist who believes in what the orthotropics teach, some users of this site have managed to find such people. But I believe that you should work with your parents in the first place. And if she has stuffed nose, dont use bought medicine, there are some pretty good ways to wash the nose, which I still havent done though, so read about them.

So, considering I saw absolutely amazing results from chewing gum for 6 months(not to me, but to another fella) I have been wondering how so many of you chew gum but barely have results, because that dude changed the shape of his whole head for such a short time. And I just came to realisation. The point of chewing gum is to streghten the muscles which in turn reshape the face. Thing is, I realised, most of you are not in caloric surplus but just chewing and just like any other muscle most likely those masseter muscles neither get bigger nor stronger (same reason my squat and bench press have stayed the same for a whole year, but man I need to eat 5 times a day for a surplus), so you are just doing nothing. So for your case, try to enter a surplus, at the same time start lifting if you are not, because in my opinion being in caloric surplus is much much harder than lifting, so hey, dont miss the opportunity.

Another thing, if your sister is that bad, I dont know how wise it is to chew gum everyday like this. When the maxilla is recessed is not in optimal position for chewing and here comes the TMD, what happened to me on the second day, popped my TMJ. Since she is just 9, start with tongue I guess.

Also, sadly, I have no idea about the wisdom teeth. I have been wondering the same, since I am already in the age in which they come out, but still havent had any pain. I wonder if the are impacted or even when my maxilla is narrow if there is place, since I also dont wont to remove them. But since yours are already impacted, I dont know man, I dont see how if you dont remove them, you are going to straighten them, so they dont make a problem and if inflammation starts etc. But hey, dont let that make you sad, I just dont know, not saying that there is no way, just keep searching..
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 10:38:46 am by TheNo0n3 »

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2017, 07:52:17 pm »
@ TheNo0n3

Thank you for your reply and advice.  I will start with tongue posture for my sister and then see if it is possible for chewing gum after that.  I actually live 10 minutes from an orthotropist in my area, so I do believe that can be very advantageous.  I also contacted Dr. John Mew about this and he recommended teaching her Buteyko breathing. 

I have certainly seen results with mewing, particularly growth in the back of my jaw, fixing my mild overbite, and maybe some more cheekbone prominence.  My mandibular wisdoms are not stuck yet, but appear to be growing in a path that can obstruct their complete eruption, and I have faith that I can do something about this.

It is very upsetting to see the lack of interest that adults have in this.  I know that if I ever meet someone special in the future, and decide to have children, I will diligently make sure that they practice proper oral posture, chew well, eat very nutritious foods, and grow tall, in order to never have them repeat my adolescence filled with intense self consciousness and self hate. 

It seems to me that those who do not seem to show interest to this have fallen victim to the "all facial growth is genetic" assumption.  This is clearly not true, as my grandfather had a large jaw and both broad and protruding maxilla, my grandmother has an even larger jaw and very broad maxilla, while my mother and her sister both have deficient jaws and crowded teeth.  Another example of this is that I have the most protruding and large maxilla and mandible in my immediate family, larger than both of my parents and, of course, my sister.

I do believe that adult change is possible, it is just that there may be more factors at play to create change and cause some to be more prone to change than others.  I will be taking part in some of my own experiments, to help to finally figure this out and settle this once and for all.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 07:59:02 pm by ThaGangsta »

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Re: Advice Needed for 17 Year Old
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2017, 09:59:02 pm »
For gum, Falim Mint on Amazon (for pp pieces for 8$) is great! I just got it today and it's way easier and better tasting than mastic, not to mention cheaper and faster to arrive.

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2017, 08:59:13 am »
@MeltedFace

Oh I've just been chewing 3 pieces at regular gum at once.  I thought falim is softer than mastic, and I am looking for the hardest chew possible.

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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2017, 09:08:49 am »
@MeltedFace

Oh I've just been chewing 3 pieces at regular gum at once.  I thought falim is softer than mastic, and I am looking for the hardest chew possible.

It is, but it is harder than regular :D

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 02:10:19 pm »
Mastic is what I have, but it becomes more soft Han the falim over time with chewing. The Falim almost has this plasticy resistance feeling, and if you doubled it up you'd get a lot of toughness I think. Aside from that, you might want to peek at the Jawzercise that I bought. I can't even use mine because my jaws are too weak!

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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2017, 02:34:35 pm »
@MeltedFace

I've heard about the jawcersizer.  Is it really worth the money?  It seems uncomfortable to use, as one cannot put it in their mouth and chew as they would with gum.

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2017, 03:09:18 pm »
Some user here suggested rubber tubes for chewing. Apparently they're used in myofunctional therapy. Might be worth a try if money is an issue.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Natural-Slingshot-Catapult-Surgical-Elastic/dp/B01N6B2POF/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501452366&sr=8-1&keywords=surgical+tube

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2017, 03:33:27 pm »
@ Progress

How would I chew these tubes?  Do I cut it into chewing gum-like sizes? 

I also hear that Dr. Mike Mew gives special gummies to his patients for treatment.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2017, 01:05:01 am »
I think it will be more convenient when you just place one single tube between your molars and chew on that. Here's a quote from the user who recommended it:

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What i have found to create more robust bone growth is chewing. in myofucntional therapy they call it "Tube Chew" using medical latex rubber tube. there are different thicknesses and i eventually got up to the thickest size and i chew for two minuetes once a day. but beware your face will get distorted because new bone is growing. so for example if im goin out to a party on a certain day ill stop chewing three or four days before to let bone settle and i'll look better.

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Yes the tube chew is very INTENSE. The rubber creates a shock absorb resistance that is relentless on your jaw muscles. I don't think any other substance is capable so i would recommend finding some. There are different thicknesses so buy both the thin and thick one. And i use my molars only as they were design for that.

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2017, 07:54:38 pm »
I would maybe do the tubes u less you want a major workout - it's cheap if it makes a difference, but I can't personally use mine

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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2017, 08:51:05 pm »
What would be a major workout in this case?

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2017, 04:06:14 am »
I would maybe do the tubes u less you want a major workout - it's cheap if it makes a difference, but I can't personally use mine
Well I wonder if they are much more safer in relation to the TMJ  ???

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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2017, 04:50:39 am »
I would maybe do the tubes u less you want a major workout - it's cheap if it makes a difference, but I can't personally use mine
Well I wonder if they are much more safer in relation to the TMJ  ???

Nothing is safe to the TM joint when the bite is recessed.