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Cranial Restructuring / Hello, My Name is....
« Last post by Neo890 on July 29, 2018, 09:09:34 am »
Neo, and im Ready to break the Matrix.


Im from Germany and i want to buy a facepulling and palate widening device, but i cant find any source.

The only buyable device is called "the crane" which is way to expensive.

Does anyone knows a source where i can buy a facepulling helmet and a palate widening device?

I want to have a wider and more protruding chin/jaw and especially more prominent cheekbones.
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I wanted to reply here in this thread, but I think it would be fitting to make a new thread about this subject of how all these things are (possibly) interconnected with eachother. This would make it easier for anyone interested in it to find it, and also keep this thread on-topic for those not interested in it.

I must say I'm very glad you know about these sort of things too (like chakra's/mbti/face-body posture etc..) and also have interest in how they're all interconnected , but given you're an INTP too, it should not really surprise me (lol) . I was thinking about posting about such things in some mbti channel or so, but they of course have no clue what even a maxilla is, or that can even alter a face in the ways people have managed to do on this forum.
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Good stuff. That is something I have thought about too and I agree with most of your observations. It seems like kind of a chicken-egg dilemma though. INTPs being preoccupied with the abstract and thus less in tune with their physical bodies, proper body posture may not be that intuitive to them. Or, is it because they are structurally weak that they are compensating by (or "trapped to") excessive intellectualism?

On the other hand, sensors who are aware of their body may find it it easy to naturally allow the energies within to keep the spine upright. When you are physically fit, athletic movements become fun to perform. All kinds of sports seem to become more enjoyable the better my anatomy becomes. I have also begun appreciating the physical dynamics of social interactions on deeper level. If someone is posturing in a dominant stance, I can mirror it and perceive how it achieves a sense of mutual respect. Likewise, if I assume  a confident stance right from the beginning of an interaction, I may find that other people take a more submissive stance. It's a fascinating whole new playground to conquer.


Neurotransmitters probably play a part in this. I think the cognitive activity of sensors is more oriented around stimulating neurotransmitters, which in turn gives the physical energy to stand upright. I have noticed that the few times I have taken recreational amphetamines my tongue is driving against palate very hard. Intuitives on the other hand may be oriented around calming neurotransmitters, which allow them to tune out and focus on the abstract.


The ancient system of Chakras and Maslow's hierarchy of needs are two systems that I have sought to fuse together with MBTI. The brain extends down the spine via the spinal cord and autonomous nervous system. More primal emotions and motivations are felt closer to the base of the spine (think of fight-or-flight, anxiety/fear, lust and dominance), and the more transcendental and abstract near the upper end of the skull. Each individual "lives through" a certain area of the nervous system. Could it be that the conscious energy of sensors is more focused around the hip area, and the conscious energy of intuitives more focused around the skull?

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Also INTP. I'm really into MBTI/the 16 personalites..I talk about it everyday

As far as Tyler, yes that was also the reason I thought he was an INFP

MBTI types on this forum

It would not surprise me if this forum had a high degree of Extroverted Intuition types (for those less known about the functions, these are INTP, INFP, ENTP, ENFP ) because they tend to be into novel ideas and experimenting (or at least are not afraid to experiment) . I think intuitive Te users would tend to first want to hear "scientific evicence", and would not really try to experiment on themselves, also because their Ni is much more hestiant when it comes to experimenting) . I'd guess most sensors will just find it odd, as long as it's not mainstream enough. Although I think they'd also accept it if a man in a white coat would tell them it works.

Although I mentioned extroverted intuition types being into such thing, now I think of it I do think ENFP's are generally too busy living in the moment to concentrate on such thing, nor being often enough on the internet to find this dump - but that's just an estimation)

Facial features & MBTI types related?

The odd but interesting thing is that that I seem to spot a pattern in facials proportions among people who are certain mbti type too. For example for INTP's it seems a very high degree of them have a long head, relative weak jaws and cheekbones, a relative long-ish nose and receded chin (basically a maxilla that retracted and somewhat rotated). At least a good degree of the ones I see online (youtube and such) and the ones I know in real life just often seem to have that specific type of face.
Also I wondered if facial proportions and MBTI-types do turn out to be correlated, whether these facial proportions are the cause of being a specific type or a consequence of being the type.

Possibly politically incorrect theory/idea for some viewers below

Because I seem to notice such a high degree of types like the INTP have such a retracted maxilla and thus certain facial proportions, I wonder if that is the thing that makes then on average have that typical INTP personality and the also the relative high IQ that seems to come with it.  If we look at east asians for example, who have the highest IQ's among the races according to statistics, they also appear to have about the about the most retracted maxilla's as far as it comes to ehtnicities. Although for east-asians their flatter facial structure seems to come naturally, for whites it seems they most often seem to get a more retracted/receded maxilla when they do things like mouthbreathing or for some other reason fail to develop their face as seems intended by nature. I have the impression the degree of INTP's in asia is higher too, although I do not have numbers to back that up. However, on average east asians seem quite introverted, thinkers and abstract (n), which could explain why the stereotype is that they're good at math (thinking abstractly).

If we look at how the different ethnicities on average look in terms of facial structure, it seems that the average pattern is that the ones who generally have the most retracted/receded maxilla's also seem to have the highest IQs on average (average east asians) , the ones with a "normal" maxilla average (average white), and the ones with very protruding maxilla's (average african) generally lower (IQ's all according to the statistics avaliable about them). Africans are are usually perceived to be the most talented when it comes to sports, which could be somehow related to their more forward maxilla's, which could make them more sensory based (in mbti terms) rather than abstract based (N in mbti). Sensors are on average more into sports and better at it (the ideal sport type is often described as ESTP/ISTP)

Gender dimorphism, hormones & facial structure

Another pattern I seem to notice in people when comparing their looks and their MBTI type, is that sensors more often have a higher degree gender dimorphism than intuitives. For those who are not familair with the term gender dimorphism, it is the extend to which the organism (in this case human) has changed from looking (and to a degree acting) like a child, towards looking like an adult in the typical gender-stereotypical way. This means that a high degree of diphormism makes boys change into typical manly looking men, and changes girls into looking like typical very feminine adult looking females. Gender diphormism comes from being somewhat high in gender typical hormones during puberty and changes the body and mind in that period. This means that it gives men a more typical manly build with wide shoulders,a thin waist, bigger jaws and chin, naturally a relative athletic build and generally a bigger head overal. (all because of facial and body bone growth). In a similar manner it changes girls into woman where the ass and thighs grow, the waste stays thin and breast grow bigger too. Both men and woman who have high diphormism generally look older than they are, because of the changes they had from looking like a child towards looking like an adult are big. When they are 15 they might look 18, while a person who had low diphormism will look somewhat young for their age for a large portion of their life (untill wrinkes appear which give away age)

MBTI & gender diphormism

When looking at MBTI types and diphormism, it seems that sensors have higher diphormism and intuitives lower. One might wonder why is the case, as sensors do not appear more mature in every way (they do in some). I wondered if this was related to the age at which the child hits puberty. There have been studies that show that the later a child hits puberty, the smarter they generally become on average . I think that sensors get into puberty early, while intuitives generally get into puberty later. This older age that the child get's into puberty, allows the child's mind to develop longer and thus becomes smarter , while gender diphormism in the form of puberty finalises the amount that the brain is developed biologically. So with early puberty, the person will grow into adulthood earlier too, but at the expense of intelligence. It only seems that early puberty results in a bigger change in gender diphormism, possibly because the total age at which the body is programmed to be able to change is limited. Later puberty possibly means that the puberty is shorter too , which results in a lower degree of gender diphormism

When looking around in your environment, you may notice that men who do less intelligence based typical manual labour jobs (mbti sensor), way more often have that stereotypical manly look about them, in terms of body and facetype, while the absolute opposite, the smart geek/nerd (mbti intuitive) will tend to look somewhat young in both their face and body development (bones). While most people are obviously somehere in between these 2 extremes, it appears that where they are on the spectrum of being in between these 2 stereotypes, does seem to indicate their level of (abstract)intelligence in a lot of cases.

Intelligence & accomplishment

Please note that when I talk about intelligence here, I talk about a specific type of intelligence, which is close to the IQ(-test) type of intellgence. Of course everyone is intelligence in different ways and IQ just basically measures one type of intelligence. While jobs are to a degree are somewhat of an indicator of IQ- type of intelligence, often other things also play a big role in achieving something like a high status jobs, such as being hardworking, perseverance, confidence, money, being goal orientated etc. So when I talk about high intelligence, I mean raw IQ type of intelligence and not having a high status job, because these are 2 quite different things.

Please note that these are just my sujective thoughts about the subjects, and in this particular case I am talking about averages when I mention things and not individuals,
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Ha, I used to be deep into MBTI and Jungian psychology too and I agree with Ryan that you are a clear INFP Tyler. I think the most obvious signs are how you can write to such extent about your experiences, and the authentic way you express yourself. Your gaze also seems gentle yet intelligent in a way that is often prevalent among intuitive feelers.

What's your type Ryan? I seem to fall somewhere along the NT axis, probably INTP.

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It looks to me like, because the lighting is similar, that my face did not even change drastically much between this more recent 'after' pic and my very first 'before' pic, and yet somehow the shift is just there because things look more proportionally balanced and proportionally beautiful.



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I noticed that what you're writing is true too. It doesn't seem to be gigantic changes that make us look much more aesthetically beautiful; it's often just a slight shift or adjustment.

I noticed from my own recent pic (where I'm wearing a purple hoodie and holding a broom), that as of late my actual facial features are much the same as my very first pic (the old one in which I had orange hair). I noticed that my facial features have not strongly changed much, but simply my jaw and the overall proportional balance of my skull and so on did.

I'm not sure it is really even solely from face-pulling, but suspect it may just be because of my overall striving to cultivate my health, purify my body, and give it a lot of nutrients and so on. Plus, eating fibrous foods means I actually get a work out for my teeth, so I feel that this actually has been quite massively helpful  ;D
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Yes actually, when I took that test, INFP is the result that I got. How did you discern that?
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Hey Tyler,
I've not been on this forum for a while. I just wanted to say if you have problems with these photoshopped pics I posted here for comparison purposes, you can always send me a message (should get in my email) and I'll remove them .They remain your pictures of course.
Also I wanted to point out that while I was working on the adaptions of your and plato's improvement pics for making them more similar in colors and such for comparison purposes, although they now look more similar because of style, I have stared at them for quite some type while adapting the pictures. And although the change in a face may not be the most obvious to pinpoint, I did clearly see and still see a clear difference between the 2 pics. They're not big differences that alter a face so that it seems someone else, but when it comes to facial aesthetics seemingly small changes in a face can have quite a big effect on how aesthetic the face is perceived and thus 'is'. Most humans as a whole look somewhat similar, especially if they're the same (pure) race. it's the slighter changes that make the difference. Since you a good face already, it means that while you progress, the changes are not gonna be as huge as a face with an incredibly retrated maxilla for example that needs to be resolved. So in that sense, you're already in a "luxery position" of not having to deal with such a big problem.
If you're interested I can always try to make a comparison adaption again for your newer pic with some of the older ones who have the same angle of lights and same camera angle

By the way, I've lately became more interested in MBTI, and wondered if you're an INFP?

Related to your topic of calcium and such, I found it a huge concidence that I've not been on this forum for monthssss and today and yesterday I've been reading about magnesium/calcium and the problem of calcification (which possibly causes health issues as bad sleep etc etc). And for some reason I felt like going to this forum today and read that you were looking into a somewhat similar topic as well. I'd say what a coincidence (but my girlfriend would say "no, it's meant to be...its a sign!" ..lol. However it may be, it's an interesting topic as well
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Cranial Restructuring / The Great Work down for maintenance
« Last post by TheGreatWork on May 19, 2018, 01:22:37 pm »
Website is down for upgrades
Apologies, we didn't intend for it to go offline, but now it's going to be down for a while.
Estimated 24 more hours, we're working all day on this but we have to wait for two different companies to separately fix what they broke in our DNS and SSL lookups.
The website should be faster when everything comes back up though.
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