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Cranial Restructuring / Re: Could you please give advice to a Doctor trying to perfect maxillary protraction
« on: February 13, 2014, 12:54:51 am »
Dear All,
Please excuse my absence. Problems logging on. Now sorted. Thank you all for you advice and comments. In the mean time I've met up with Ian Hedley, whom I found very informative and easy to work with, so we are sure to build a relationship and see how NCR and Orthotropics can be combined. We are both still wondering about the effect of wear times but since some people are struggling to wear the head gear that I've designed for much time we are naturally selecting people into groups. I'm a little amazed that people come all this way with such problems and then don't commit them selves, almost as if they want us to do the work for them. It makes me understand why every one want the magic pill that cures things.
There have been some excellent comments in this discussion.
CP you were privileged to be treated by Dr Gibbs, he is one of the best that I know. Sometimes the best people do not come with a neon sign above them showing you how good they are. You description is excellent, as is your grasp of what is going on (in my opinion). Complex you are spot on with tongue posture. This is the natural face puller. I often say to people that if I could plug into their cerebellum in the same way that people plug expensive cars into computer systems and override the factory settings to make the more efficient or less so and faster, then I would not need nothing else. It's like in the Matrix (very appropriate for this site). The problem is that if your palate is small and set down it is uncomfortable to do this and we are creatures of comfort, so just don't do it. We need help and most of us cannot be bothered we really just want that magic pill.
There is an old saying in orthodontics that function follows form (and the reverse). Actually posture is more important, since pushing your tongue for 5 min will do nothing, pushing for 4-8hrs will change your life. Posture is function over time. If we can change the form and make it easier to change function then we can change the posture. There is certainly more to it that changing tongue position but this seems to be the most important, possibly followed by head posture.
I will keep you posted on developments here, and we are now recruiting subject to try what we are learning together. Our clinic will be Monday or Tuesday am in Purley Surrey. Only the very motivate need apply.
For those of you that are to far away please find out more information for me. I've started a discussion with Sally Fallon from the Weston A Price Foundation to see what she has to say. If your've seen the ancestral health lecture you will be aware that I'm not convinced with WAPFs conclusion but we all need to remain open minded. I still have to talk to Karl Nishimura and I am happy to talk suggestions from anyone here.
Best wishes,
Mike
Please excuse my absence. Problems logging on. Now sorted. Thank you all for you advice and comments. In the mean time I've met up with Ian Hedley, whom I found very informative and easy to work with, so we are sure to build a relationship and see how NCR and Orthotropics can be combined. We are both still wondering about the effect of wear times but since some people are struggling to wear the head gear that I've designed for much time we are naturally selecting people into groups. I'm a little amazed that people come all this way with such problems and then don't commit them selves, almost as if they want us to do the work for them. It makes me understand why every one want the magic pill that cures things.
There have been some excellent comments in this discussion.
CP you were privileged to be treated by Dr Gibbs, he is one of the best that I know. Sometimes the best people do not come with a neon sign above them showing you how good they are. You description is excellent, as is your grasp of what is going on (in my opinion). Complex you are spot on with tongue posture. This is the natural face puller. I often say to people that if I could plug into their cerebellum in the same way that people plug expensive cars into computer systems and override the factory settings to make the more efficient or less so and faster, then I would not need nothing else. It's like in the Matrix (very appropriate for this site). The problem is that if your palate is small and set down it is uncomfortable to do this and we are creatures of comfort, so just don't do it. We need help and most of us cannot be bothered we really just want that magic pill.
There is an old saying in orthodontics that function follows form (and the reverse). Actually posture is more important, since pushing your tongue for 5 min will do nothing, pushing for 4-8hrs will change your life. Posture is function over time. If we can change the form and make it easier to change function then we can change the posture. There is certainly more to it that changing tongue position but this seems to be the most important, possibly followed by head posture.
I will keep you posted on developments here, and we are now recruiting subject to try what we are learning together. Our clinic will be Monday or Tuesday am in Purley Surrey. Only the very motivate need apply.
For those of you that are to far away please find out more information for me. I've started a discussion with Sally Fallon from the Weston A Price Foundation to see what she has to say. If your've seen the ancestral health lecture you will be aware that I'm not convinced with WAPFs conclusion but we all need to remain open minded. I still have to talk to Karl Nishimura and I am happy to talk suggestions from anyone here.
Best wishes,
Mike