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Title: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Tyler on May 23, 2013, 11:59:28 am
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Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: newguy on June 06, 2013, 09:59:02 pm
It looks like your cheekbone. Kind of like the gaunt looking cheekbones that some models have?
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: viridian on June 29, 2013, 12:10:38 am
Wow Tyler, you look incredible!
I can see what you were talking about earlier of how you used to think that your gaze wasn't quite 'present'. You look very present now, and as though the brain is happy.
Well done!
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: MessiahMews on November 17, 2013, 05:08:52 pm
Hi everyone,

Sorry for my long absence from the forum. I have been distracted by other studies lately, and somewhat shut away from my interactions with others. I got some emails from members of the forum, which I will locate in my inbox in order to answer - however if I do not respond to you within a couple of days, please email me again so I don't miss your question. I am sick atm, so it may take some extra time to go through those emails, but I am apologetic for not answering them before so I will make it a fair priority to do so.

As far as my own progress goes, I am seeing some nice results. I have been eating a lot of sugar on and off, so I think my progress is being somewhat stalled - however I noticed recently that my temporal bone has shifted enough on the left side of my skull that my ear canal now leads to the hole in my skull where my ear presumably should be located. In the past I could not reach this hole since my skull was deformed (which resulted in many ear infections as a boy), so it is plainly evident that I am getting results.  I no longer inflate the balloon much - two partial inflations is generally enough to feel my bones shift, and because of the light pressure, I don't feel much tenderness in my skull if I feel any tenderness at all.

My laptop got wet so I can't take photos easily, but I'll upload another when I'm able to. From the side my skull is much longer now, which makes me very pleased.

Has anybody any experience with straightening their spine with NCR? My spine straightened out a little from performing NCR on myself, but I'm looking for a way to perform some bodywork on myself ahead of time so that I can stabalize my posture more. I'll experiment on myself some, and then upload my progress here.

Hey Tyler, glad to see you are okay and getting the results you want.  I just had a 7th session of NCR myself.  It's coming along great, but will still need several more sessions in order to get where I want to be.

Can't wait to see your current pics, and btw, someone on FB had been asking about you.

I'm doing the ABC (Advanced Biostructural Correction) moreso on the spine.  The NCR helps, but the ABC gets it unwinding much faster.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Connor on December 03, 2013, 08:59:56 pm
Tyler you look great bud! Seriously wow man you have really come a long way judging from your first picture Ive seen of you. Its great to hear about all your amazing attributes your gaining like your vision and depth perception and all that great stuff.  I even asked my friend sitting here and she says "ya he looks totally hot" and trust me she's one of them picky girls! haha all jokes aside though my man you look great keep it up. I wish you the best of wishes. Oh and hey, hope you had a good turkey day thanks giving.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Connor on December 04, 2013, 11:16:01 am
Its all connected I think in a good way. Body, brain function. You me and everyone else just wants a good vessel for your mind to control. Ultimately we should all be what we call nowadays "beautiful". In reality that's what we as a race should normally look and function like and not have to worry about. Sadly we have all fallen away from old effective living and diet habits but alas we are finding and correcting them once again so we can have our bodies and brain function back to its "highest" living potential, and get back to the other parts of life. I mean if we look at it positively, people who cant function right shouldn't really be alive according to natural selection and mother nature. But ultimately humans are much outside the realm of mother natures rules (and at the same time not, I mean look how she punishes us for it). This NCR and Facepulling and our other real medicines is just simply survival and a comeback to the high ranks where we can thrive effectively once again HOO RAHH BOYS & GALS!!!
But we must respect mother nature while doing so. Otherwise we will fall back into the same trap. But hey its ok to make big mistakes as a race as long as we learn which the good few of us most definitely are.

So nahhh I don't think its to vain as long as were respecting ourselves, nature, and of course others.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2013, 12:38:55 pm
Well said Connor
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Complexx on December 04, 2013, 02:03:31 pm
Hey guys,

First of I want to apologize for saying what I said about Ben... My phone did not load up all of the pictures completely... Once I saw the last pic of him I was surprised... Lots of improvement and his nose looks a lot straighter compared to before, although I wish the lighting was a bit better on his last pick. I salute you Ben!! I bet your progress is through the roof now... Please update Budyy!

@Tyler wow man you look great... But what caught  my attention was you bashing all of the "theories" you posted on this site. Why do you feel they are BS? I believe in the same stuff you've been posting before this post & I've been seeing scientific evidence that confirms/validates this stuff. That's a big thumbs down from me bro... We are all energetic beings & everything is every... We even control matter with perception. Idk what  gave you that change of heart but, the whole energy/beliefs control your life stuff IS ALL TRUE. We are now in an ERA where science/quantum physics is proving the "ancient gurus" right. You should check out Dr. Dean Radin's research out...

Anyways Tyler & Ben you both look great! BTW Tyker, please expect an email from me very soon!

Complexx
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Complexx on December 04, 2013, 02:15:36 pm
Oh, and by the way Tyler, what is your complete regimen man? You're still face pulling correct?
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Complexx on December 04, 2013, 04:54:55 pm
No worries, Tyler. I understand your point, too. You rather "play it safe" rather than risk being wrong.. It's cool man, random thoughts are what build this world after all. For a person that thinks most of his posts we're consisted of BS, you're pretty damn accurate haha! A majority of stuff that you used to write about on here fit perfectly with my research man, that's why I was so disappointed when you labeled that stuff as "New Age BS". I also would like to apologize on my behalf as well, I personally hate the words "quack" and "New Age BS" usually because of where those words initially come from (quackwatch.com & all other sites that are sponsored to bash all alternative therapies in order to keep big Pharma companies alive)

Man, your progress seems impressive bro, especially since you haven't been at it as much as you should be... Kinda makes me think how much more progress you have made if you were to stay on it a bit more. I noticed that, besides the more prominent cheekbones, you're developing that "chiseled square jaw look", something that I truly desire! Your face also appears to be more symmetrical(?) like your septum is more in place or something... One other thing I wanted to note, your masseter muscles seem to be getting bigger? I know your face has in fact "expanded" but you have that chiseled look around the masseter area... Hard to explain, hopefully you understand me lol. But in terms of these masseter muscles seeming bigger: First of all, do you agree that they are increasing in size? & if so, do you think face pulling & NCR did this for you, or do you think/give credit to the facial exercises? I ask because I've seen studies suggesting that kids who wear braces for a certain period of time develop less masticatory muscles (which ties in with all of the NCR, face pulling, Dr. Weston Prices' theories) Also, I have seen this study too http://www.jaypeejournals.com/eJournals/ShowText.aspx?ID=3486&Type=FREE&TYP=TOP&IN=_eJournals/images/JPLOGO.gif&IID=274&isPDF=YES

What do you think? It would make sense that new/remodeled bone would cause new muscles to form, right? I've noticed that close to all actors have prominent masseter muscles which gives them that "chiseled look" What would be your take on this, Tyler?

PS: Has your face grown more outward? Like does your chin/jaw look less recessed from the front/sides? I can't really tell since some of your pics have different lighting. Thanks man!

PS: Yes I would love to know about your success with facial exercises... I have been looking into them for a whike now. It's kind of exciting to actually speak to a person performing them! I've seen some stuff by Tom Haggerty and some woman there... (forgot her name) but they both look great! In case you don't know who he is, Haggerty is about 70-80 something years old and he looks like he is in his early 30's in my opinion. But yea, get back to me when you can.

Complexx
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Complexx on December 04, 2013, 05:13:42 pm
Also, Tyler, I noticed that your face looks shorter and more expanded (which ties in with the study that I posted on my last reply) but I have a concern/request. I noticed that you sport different hairstyles in some of your pics and I was just wondering if you could maybe post a few pics of your head positioned as straight & certained as possible & with your hair NOT converting your forehead. Hairstyles can really give people tje illusion of a facial shape change, and although I doubt that this is the case with you, I would highly appreciate if you can manage to take and post pics the way I'm requesting you to. IF YOU DON'T MIND OF COURSE.

Also, do you have some old profile pics you can compare with your previous ones? Just to see how much your face grew "outwards" because it looks as if it did.

Thanks!
Complexx
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Tyler on December 04, 2013, 05:18:05 pm
Sure, I will provide some better quality images for you tomorrow. I will also respond to your post in more detail then, but I must retire to bed for the night now.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Chromeo on December 05, 2013, 05:45:34 am
Hi Tyler,

I'm new to the forum and was amazed to see your transformation, wow! Your results are very impressing. If you don't have a job for the moment maybe you should look into doing some modeling, I'm sure you would be hired ;D

You have really done well and I think your transformation is at the same level as "patient zero" (if you remember the photo of him.)
That makes me wonder if you have done anything else besides NCR, face-pulling and the face exercises you were talking about. I read one place that you have had braces, it that normal braces and can they also have contributed to your transformation?

I know that the result of patient zero transformation and facial development for the greatest part probably was due to the palate expansion he has done but you haven't done anything like that right?

I was also wondering if you still use two balloons when you do NCR nowadays or do you stick to one?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Complexx on December 05, 2013, 08:12:54 am
Chromeo do you happen to be on HLT forums as well lol? I've seen the name "Chromeo" around there before.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Complexx on December 05, 2013, 08:18:50 am
I heard that patient zero's results were obtained from doing lots of NCR and of course face pulling. But Plato really put some emphasis on NCR, not palate expansion. Did he do palate expansion too? With what and how long?   
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Chromeo on December 05, 2013, 09:55:13 am
Hi Complexx,

Nope, that's not me, haven't even heard about that forum. Must be someone else who likes the sounds of Chromeo ;)

Both Plato and Ivan(which is patient zero) has had dental work done to expand their palate. I think Plato used damon. You can read about it on his webpage.
Kevin has written about Ivan at his homepage; http://orgoneproducts.org/blog/2010/08/03/orthodontics-correcting-collapse-face-from-wisdom-teeth-extraction/ "Ivan found Dr. Amir about 3 years ago, and was having his bite corrected and his palate expanded. His palate was widening quite nicely and his facial appearance was improving quite dramatically, but his chronic fatique and brain-fog had not improved very much."

I also talked to his brother awhile ago who confirmed it as he is having the same things done.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Chromeo on December 05, 2013, 09:57:12 am
Dr. Amir is a dentist by the way.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Ben on December 05, 2013, 12:27:36 pm
Hey Tyler have you noticed a difference in how women respond to you? I suppose I should say people but you know...
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: viridian on December 05, 2013, 03:59:32 pm
Hi Tyler,

Wow you look really great. Thanks for posting photos of yourself and being so open about the process, it really helps.
And I also enjoy reading your insight into the 'energetic' aspects of it all. So don't let the critical part of your mind put them down.

I have been facepulling, but still haven't managed to get the gist of self-NCR. So I think my face is becoming slightly unbalanced. ie. The lower part of the face is filling out a little more, but it feels as if the upper part is a bit tight.
I just can't seem to figure out how to get to the turbinites properly and I get stupidly freaked out.
Have been thinking of getting a couple of professional sessions with someone. There is no one who does NCR near me, but I did discover that some people call it 'Nasal Specific' and amazingly there is someone listed in my city.

Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Tyler on December 05, 2013, 05:40:13 pm
Before I go to bed, I want to say that I have been shown a mistake that I made today, so I will not place any conditions on giving you the facial fitness CD, Complexx. I will be happy if it manages to help you like it has helped me, so I will consider that payment enough.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Chromeo on December 06, 2013, 08:18:28 pm
Thanks for the explanation regarding your NCR regime Tyler :) That's interesting that you repeat the process so many times in each turbinate. I'm going to try that from now on. By the way, I have also found that doing some face exercises before I do NCR helps as it seems to warm up my face and relax the muscles more. It is like the balloon goes deeper in the turbinate when I have done the exercises before doing NCR. I do something called the face yoga method by Fumiko Takatsu and especially focus on the exercises for the jaw and neck. http://faceyogamethod.com/blog. You can find her videos on youtube also.

Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: MessiahMews on December 07, 2013, 04:11:06 pm
I cannot help but smiling when I read what you have written, Complexx. It is making me blush. And for what it is worth, I truly dislike those terms, as well. They were invented by know-it-all's who care only about defending their supposed knowledge rather than exposing any form of genuine truth, so ironically it is they who are the "quacks" because they are never qualified to explain anything that they attempt to explain with their flimsy logic and reason, making their sentiments as hollow and instinctual as the violent quacking of a mallard duck.

Sadly, I do not have access to my old profile pics anymore. They were all lost when my laptop was ruined. But my face has expanded considerably, yes, and as my maxilla is moved outward, my mandible has moved forward, as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/v7mTuDE.jpg)

If you consider that the maxilla bone is connected to the mandible at the point I indicated with an X, then by moving the maxilla bone forward, you will also draw the mandible bone out. Likewise, when the maxilla is pushed back, I reckon that the mandible will also become jammed back, as well, making the face appear longer. I believe that this is why Plato says that face-pulling will cause the mandible to "swing out".

My face, overall, has not shortened considerably, although with NCR and face-pulling working in tandem, my skull goes through periods of shortening and lengthening as it strives toward the ideal. When I face-pull, my face is inclined to become shorter since my lower jaw moves in the way I described in the previous paragraph; however, when I perform NCR, my skull expands in all directions, which causes my skull to obtain the same length that it had before. In time, I predict that my face will, relatively speaking, appear shorter since I can tell its width still has a ways to go, meanwhile I think its length has come close to the end of its expansion.

As for the muscles that you are talking about, I am not certain if they have grown or developed significantly. The back of my jaw has increased more significantly in width than my teeth, which makes the rear area more apparent when viewed from the front, and probably contributes to the chiseled look. As my mandible has moved out from a V-shape to take the optimal U-shape, the muscles have moved out and perhaps get more exercise now, too.

I also took another picture for you, this time having pulled my hair back so you can clearly see the shape of my entire face - and about face exercises, I can confirm that they work. I am using Carolyns Facial Fitness method, which you can find here: http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/ (http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/). The results are quite dramatic, particularly on somebody who is older than myself, so I encourage you to check out her web site! Also, if you will consider passing the CD along once to somebody else once you have mastered the exercises, I will send my copy of the CD to you, provided you are willing to pay for the shipping costs since I cannot afford that currently. I live in southern Ontario.

Tyler, it's so great to see you back posting again.  And your face is very much different than before.

I do the Carole Maggio Facercise which is a great facial workout.  I may order the facial exercises from Carolyn too, and work them in with the Facercise ones.  I also have a Dermal Tone, which is now discontinued.  Sometimes, those can be found on eBay.

I think you can still get un-used units from this site...
The Dermal Tone Facial technique has been successfully used in clinics and beauty salons worldwide for over 40 years. It was originally developed in Europe by a team of doctors and physicists for the medical application in the potential treatment of facial paralysis and Bell's palsy. These units were designed to exercise muscles fast, effectively and safely.
The old Dermal Tone site is down, because they discontinued it, so you can get it from this site.
http://www.beautifulskinforlife.com/
Click on the Non-Surgical Facelift Exerciser

Here is a profile pic of me.  The first one was during the 3rd NCR session.  The second one on the right, is after SIX NCR session.  A huge difference, just 3 more sessions make.  I intend to do NCR for a couple of more years, then it's maintenance thereafter.

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Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Connor on December 09, 2013, 10:29:20 am
Holy smokes Messiah! Huuge difference you look very pretty :). The chin and the cheek bones...just wow! haha and to think that's just from six sessions of only NCR.....kinda makes me wonder about my self treatment which is like over 60 sessions by now...the hell am I doing wrong  :P
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Tyler on December 09, 2013, 10:58:49 am
Perhaps I can help you to improve your method, Connor. Send me a PM that describes your method in some detail, and if I am able to offer you some suggestions to improve it, I will do so - however before I help you, I have promised to help viridian first.

Also, I agree that you look fabulous, Donna! You appear so much more confident and present now. I am happy that you are making great strides!
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: MessiahMews on December 09, 2013, 04:35:56 pm
Thanks guys!  I wish it would make my nose smaller.  lol

I think I'm going to try that NoseMagic (http://www.nosemagic.com/) or NasoFix (http://nasofix.com/) thing which reshapes and decreases the size of the nose.  It is also non-surgical.

My nose looks okay from the profile view, but it too long and big at the bottom from the frontal view.  It bothers me.

I'm still going to go for facial laser resurfacing in two or three months, but I have good topical and internal products to help too.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: viridian on December 11, 2013, 12:58:42 am
Yeah I'm with Connor, Holy Smokes Messiah!
You look great!
And no way are your cheeks too big, they are super cute. And I'm sure your nose is fine too.


Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: MessiahMews on December 11, 2013, 06:42:07 am
Yeah I'm with Connor, Holy Smokes Messiah!
You look great!
And no way are your cheeks too big, they are super cute. And I'm sure your nose is fine too.

Thanks hon, but NCR has made my nose wider.  I'm kind of ****ed about it.  In the beginning earlier sessions, the nose was fine, but now in pics, afterwards, it's getting wider.  It's already too long and big for my face.  It looks great from the side, but frontal view of it and the buccal fat, is very disheartening.  I do not want surgery, so I'm at a loss.

Regards, the cheeks, I'm referring to my lower cheeks, the buccal fat as they call "hamster" cheeks.  I do not have a distinct definition between the upper checks and lower cheeks (the ones unwanted).  They are obstructing my V-line.  I've always had them, and hated them, and am the only one in my family that has them.  In some people, the buccal fat blend in and runs into jowls and double chins.

Here is my youngest sister and check out those cheeks, and no lower cheek fat.  She's always had that perfect face with the V-shape and perfect Ogee Curve.  We do have the same mother AND father.  lol

(http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4218/vtjd.jpg)

I found another gal, that has the same problem with the lower cheeky stuff.  Here's a pic of what I'm talking about. She doesn't like hers either..

(http://ei.realself.com/full/571b221c2c3b127b3fad398b8a12a748/userimage-121686.JPG)

I don't want the fat pad removed by surgery, but I want it shrunk with a facial contouring device.  I found the Alma Lasers VShape by Accent Ultra that is for an improved Ogee Curve and V-line.  Thankfully, one of those are close by.

I like my profile SOOOO much better, but the full frontal of my face still leaves a lot to be desired.  I'm looking at TWO more years of NCR.  Have to keep in mind that I'm older than most of you all, so I have to do a tad more than the rest of you.   :D

I'm still dealing with the brow ptosis on the right side.  The right eye did come up with NCR, but that brow is still heavy and dropping on that side.  I have low heavy eyebrows with a heavy muscular wad.  I don't know if it's a damaged nerve, extra tissue or a problem with the frontalis muscle.  I won't do any botox or surgery, because I don't like things added, but don't mind some things taken away (extra fat, for example).

For the time being, I'm doing microdermabrasion, facial exercises with a Dermal Tone EMS type of facial unit.

I am saving up for a profractional C02 full face, eyes and neck lasering, and will do one section at a time.  I'm going to start with forehead and eyes, and then another time do the rest of the lower face.  I have good skin quality thankfully, due to the nutrition, but it seems like I have extra fullness and extra where it is not needed.  it's just so weird, as I can't pinpoint exactly what the problem is, but none of my sisters have any of these problems.  My youngest sister has the best face of all of us, with the best symmetry.

I'm still looking at the Nasofix, as I really don't want surgery for that either.  I like the shape of my nose, but would like the same shape, only smaller.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Tyler on December 11, 2013, 06:48:49 am
I hope that you manage to reveal your jawline to your satisfaction soon. In the meantime, you may wish to try the facial exercise which tones the muscle underneath the chin - Carolyn calls it the "Double Chin Tuck".

To perform it, you must stick your tongue out as far as possible while pushing your chin down against your chest, and do this 5 times for a count of 10. You may need to pull your head back a bit if it sticks out, since this makes the exercise more effective.

I had a very slight double chin myself, which made the shape of my chin less apparent from a profile view. But this exercise helped to reduce the fat in that area, so that my chin now has a more chiseled appearance.

I hope that this helps!
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: MessiahMews on December 11, 2013, 07:07:10 am
I hope that you manage to reveal your jawline to your satisfaction soon. In the meantime, you may wish to try the facial exercise which tones the muscle underneath the chin - Carolyn calls it the "Double Chin Tuck".

To perform it, you must stick your tongue out as far as possible while pushing your chin down against your chest, and do this 5 times for a count of 10. You may need to pull your head back a bit if it sticks out, since this makes the exercise more effective.

I had a very slight double chin myself, which made the shape of my chin less apparent from a profile view. But this exercise helped to reduce the fat in that area, so that my chin now has a more chiseled appearance.

I hope that this helps!

I'm already doing facial exercises, but it's a problem with buccal fat and probable nerve damage.  I do the Carole Maggio nose pump, as she calls it. 
Here's a youtube video of it being performed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcqpjW7P4Pw 

It seems to be a tissue distribution problem too.  Hillary mentioned the small dents in my forehead, due to missing tissue, and she showed me a small area on her, but it doesn't show.  I don't have a double chin, thank God, but do have some lymphedema under my chin.

So I will continue with all the above, but will get the facial contouring to slim down lower face, while doing NCR to keep the bone structure stable.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: MessiahMews on December 11, 2013, 07:27:32 am
More facial exercises in one of Carole Maggio's classes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiqMYLoFMF4
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: Tyler on December 11, 2013, 03:34:13 pm
Hey Donna, from all of those NCR sessions that you have had done professionally, have you noticed any movement in your teeth - particularly have they shifted forward to any discernible degree?

Currently, when I smile I have what I call "no-denture mouth", so named after the sunken in smile of older people who take out their dentures. The rest of my face has expanded so much from NCR and face-pulling that it all looks great and proportional, but my teeth do not seem to want to move in any significant way, and I think that my braces are the culprit. So I am considering just having them removed and hoping that NCR prevents them from going back to being crooked... but I am a bit nervous about that idea, truly.

But who knows. Maybe it will even give them freedom to start shifting along with the other bones, since it seems to me that NCR has been preventing this from the start.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: s on December 11, 2013, 05:27:48 pm
Tyler,

Have you thought about getting Damon Braces to expand your palate and give you that nice wide 10 tooth smile. I am planning on doing this. Traditional braces push everything in and gives that sunken in smile appearance.
Title: Re: Tyler's Self-NCR Diary
Post by: MessiahMews on December 11, 2013, 08:55:58 pm
Hey Donna, from all of those NCR sessions that you have had done professionally, have you noticed any movement in your teeth - particularly have they shifted forward to any discernible degree?

Currently, when I smile I have what I call "no-denture mouth", so named after the sunken in smile of older people who take out their dentures. The rest of my face has expanded so much from NCR and face-pulling that it all looks great and proportional, but my teeth do not seem to want to move in any significant way, and I think that my braces are the culprit. So I am considering just having them removed and hoping that NCR prevents them from going back to being crooked... but I am a bit nervous about that idea, truly.

But who knows. Maybe it will even give them freedom to start shifting along with the other bones, since it seems to me that NCR has been preventing this from the start.

Yes, my entire palate has come forward.  I had the sunken in denture look, but I don't have dentures, nor had braces.

That happened from having been kicked in the face by a horse at age 4.

This before and after was only after TWO sessions in 2012.  The palate came forward in the first session.

(http://static.dailystrength.org/groupfiles/2/2/9/1/10001922/g_667749032.png)