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Title: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on March 08, 2017, 09:07:34 pm
the first month i began belt facepulling i was pulling almost only the right side of my face because the right side of my mandible was completely recessed while the left side was more developed.this in turn made my right cheekbone wider and fuller in comparison to my left cheekbone (my cheekbones were already a bit asymmetrical even before that).then i started pulling equally from both sides for another month which improved my left cheekbone but it's still asymmetrical.should i begin pulling only the left side of my face to make it symmetrical or just wait until it's fixed from mewing?btw my mandible is still asymmetrical but has improved a lot.i hope my text made sense :p
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on March 08, 2017, 09:24:01 pm
let me know if you want me to post a pic
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: MeltedFace on March 08, 2017, 09:32:42 pm
I'd love to see pics and know your method and routine. More info the better for all of us! Plenty of people on this forum are curious about working methods, because so few people share photos and routines with good results. Thanks!
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: TheNo0n3 on March 10, 2017, 04:04:28 pm
I thought you people gave up on the belt facepulling? After reading about so many people who had done some pretty bad damage to their faces, although I really wanted to try it in the beginning too, I thought its pretty risky. After checking here and there I only managed to find two testimonials and the pictures of both people had reasons to look fake. I dont know if you have noticed, but absolutely everyone who has done some pulling method has a huge asymmetry. After reading some time ago about the importance of facial symmetry to facial beauty,  I immidiately started to notice the asymmetry of people I have known for a long a time, but noticed it just now, because it was something I expected to see and the other thing is that many people, uhm how to say it, sunk their teeth into their gums? with that method. Last days I fell upon facial exercises to tighten the skin, and there were testimonials of several people and I could bet that everybody had reduced his vertical growth and their upper jaw had gone forward, even showed it to a friend and he agreed. So I was thinking, Mike Mew spoke a lot about the importance of the proper use of facial muscles and their help to facial development. The example of Stephen Hawking and his weaking of the muscles resulting in melting of his face got me thinking that those facial exercises could be really beneficial. Some might be like "duh, that is why we strengthen the masseter and all", but here I am not talking just about the mewing and the masseter, I am talking about all muscles, even those at the back of your head, so everything pulls together for great results.  At this other forum there was this guy who mewed for a year, everyday with hours and the results were super amazing(age 20 by the way, I know u want to know), almost like that belt facepulling, minus the asymmetry and the upper jaw could use a little more forward movement, but his mandibula got super unlocked. On the "how to achieve facial growth" or sth like that utube video of mike mew there was this dude who claimed amazing results by constantly pushing with the tongue, (also around 19 years of age). Ive come this past 2-3 days to realise that unless ur body and head position is as proper as it can be, your tongue will get tired really fast and u would be able to push only for short periods, but with proper body and head position and  with time, it gets easier. So, to sum up:

1. Facial exercises to pull the whole skin, which pulls the jaw too(not yet tested, but from all pictures seen, I am almost certain it yields awesome results for no time)  That dude (http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/before-after/robert/) is the one who really really got me in the idea, that it will work, look at the vertical growth in the beginning, look in the end, plus u might check out other people there, because I am almost sure that that is the case.

2. Mewing, hard gum, for several hours a day - unwanted result is temporalis muscle hypertrophy, but not that much of a worry in my opinion, that or/plus ->

3. Pushing with the tongue hard, with absolute proper body and head position as long as you can.

Nothing new in the end really except the facial exercises, but I wanted to share them, because I think they are game-changer, plus I wanted to hear opinions on that and views. I think that this is better than the risky belt facepulling method and is what suggest.

And to add to the question, because I didnt say anything about it, many people who did the facial exercises reported fixing of the asymmetry in the cheeks and I dont really think it is because of the change in the muscles, more likely I think it is because it had impact on the jaw. Thing about those exercises is 1. that you must NEVER spot train, you should do for the whole face 2. dont make risks by combining from different people's exercises 3. it is hard to find really the proper ones for you and which will also support my idea 4. aaand also the guides usually cost money, although I consider buying the one I gave a link to above
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: MeltedFace on March 11, 2017, 12:00:18 am
I use Facerobics on YouTube by Peet's - it's free, with great reviews. Been doing it for a few months, and my muscles are a lot stronger. But it takes a long time to change. The series is many levels with a lot of education before getting into it.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: TheNo0n3 on March 11, 2017, 03:52:50 am
I use Facerobics on YouTube by Peet's - it's free, with great reviews. Been doing it for a few months, and my muscles are a lot stronger. But it takes a long time to change. The series is many levels with a lot of education before getting into it.
Thanks for the recommendation. :) So you do support the idea that facial excersises will help with the upper jaw movement?

this is the result (of the pic) of a clinic that uses tongue activators 6 months (I mean... 6 months, wow..):
http://www.bioattivatoriamcop.it/Portfolio-Caso_con_deviazione_delle_arcate_dentarie_e_della_faccia-684.html
Correct me if I am wrong, but hasnt her face gotten a lot longer? Something we would like to avoid? Now I know that fixing the jaws could result in a bit longer face, because it gets unlocked, but here it looks much more than that. Could please also explain me what those tongue activators do and how they work and what is their purpose and influence to the tongue exactly? :)
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on March 11, 2017, 04:43:10 am
Correct me if I am wrong, but hasnt her face gotten a lot longer?


It seems that the photos just aren't scale-matched. It becomes more apparent when they're placed next to each other:

(http://i.imgur.com/1H2mrer.png)
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: MeltedFace on March 11, 2017, 08:58:30 am
I use Facerobics on YouTube by Peet's - it's free, with great reviews. Been doing it for a few months, and my muscles are a lot stronger. But it takes a long time to change. The series is many levels with a lot of education before getting into it.
Thanks for the recommendation. :) So you do support the idea that facial excersises will help with the upper jaw movement?
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: MeltedFace on March 11, 2017, 09:00:12 am


Reply:

You know the face is full of muscle, and we know that impacts the shape of bones in the skull. It makes sense that change should occur, but for myself I will have to wait and see. I've noticed some lifting since beginning all this stuff at the turn of the year, but I changed:

- swallowing : buccinators are hopefully now in atrophy
- tongue: I work on having it up and back all day
- chewing: my foods tend to be softer, so I chew mastic gum
-sleep: My chin is helped shut by using my hand with knuckles to shut jaw
- face exercises: these happen each day in the Facerobics series - still on Level 1, Series 1
- body posture : I try to keep it good, but I have a spinal weakened. I've revelry gotten a saddle chair and am able to sit on it now. This month I'm hoping to work on it with upright healthy alignment and good head posture

So some I'm doing good, others need more work. I'm starting with no jaw line, and oddly my husband says he sees definition coming in. I'd say what I'm doing isn't making me look any worse, and is helping my health. I'll be reporting any major changes, but probably need more months to see what happens since all of this naturally is slow going.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: TheNo0n3 on March 12, 2017, 05:25:16 am
During the night I constantly wake up and feel that my mouth is open, but at least the tongue is staying on the roof even with open mouth so I am happy about that. I was thinking about tying my jaw so it doesnt open, but somehow don't really like the idea. I want to start chewing mastic gum too, but can't really afford to spend 30 euro on it, if there are no other options I would buy it, but do you have any other suggestions that come to mind, that will do close to what the mastic gum is doing for a gum?
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: MeltedFace on March 12, 2017, 09:09:25 am
Falim gum is much cheaper on Amazon and a good alternative from what people say...
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on March 26, 2017, 11:37:01 am
so can mewing alone in theory without any other therapy fix  most asymmetries including asymmetrical cheekbones?

i have looked at pictures from when i was 8-9 years old and my cheekbones were symmetrical so shouldn't they align with time from mewing?
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Ryan on March 26, 2017, 01:57:37 pm
I think for sure it's better to have symmetry, but as far as it comes to attractiveness, I think it's role is not that big as often thought. With most people who have asymmetry, apart from something like a very uneven nose, you can not really tell in real life, unless they are photographed from purely the front, even if you've known the person for years. Striking features like good defined cheekbones are much more important than symmetry. Symmetry has to be studied, unlike much more apparent overal shapes and their composition to one another. Alot of celebs are full of asymmetry if you study their faces, but it does not really matter anyone much. Some have 1 eyelid visible and the other not, and if you mirror them, it doesnt really look that much better.I would much rather have good defined cheekbones that were a bit uneven than less cheekbones absolutely symmetrical. Not trying to discredit this thread in any way. Symmetry is always better of course, but forward growth and overal harmony between the different parts of the face (golden ratio) are much more important.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on March 26, 2017, 04:12:18 pm
yes i know that but even in terms of forward growth one of my cheekbones is more prominent than the other so they are completely asymmetrical meaning that not only my maxilla is tilted to one side but that one side is also more prominent.so that's why i'm curious to know if mewing & chewing alone could fix this asymmetry.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Ryan on March 27, 2017, 12:19:47 pm
yes it makes sense you want to fix it! I think purely theoretical at least pulling the opposites site of the one you pulled, will recreate the same situation in terms of symmetry as you started with. that would seem the most logical. From there on, another method could be better to solve the asymmetry problem
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on March 30, 2017, 12:05:27 am
thanks for the advice,i will begin thumb facepulling for a while to see if i can get any more results
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on May 26, 2017, 03:49:00 am
one other question i have is,can asymmetrical cheekbones be fixed if you have a deviated septum?because the maxilla is connected to the nasal area.so is it necessary for the deviated septum to be fixed first before the cheekbones become symmetrical?i'm a bit confused about this.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on May 26, 2017, 04:28:48 am
one other question i have is,can asymmetrical cheekbones be fixed if you have a deviated septum?because the maxilla is connected to the nasal area.so is it necessary for the deviated septum to be fixed first before the cheekbones become symmetrical?i'm a bit confused about this.

Both have the same cause: asymmetry of the skull. Septum is just cartilage, its shape and position is determined by the underlying bone structure.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on May 26, 2017, 07:17:06 am
has anyone managed to fix it with mewing/facepulling?
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Peta on June 03, 2017, 05:14:10 pm
Hi I a Peta from Facerobics. Firstly, it is impossible to make your "cheekbones" symmetrical. They are the bones of your skull, you cannot change them.  Secondly, face exercises when performed correctly shape to the natural shape of your face. Because it is a natural thing to be doing, unlike having a face lift, where the skin pulls the muscles up unnaturally. And thirdly, my face cannot get longer doing facial exercises, I cannot change the shape of my skeletal features.  Facial exercises are the only way to help your face become symmetrical again IF it is not skeletal related. I hope that has cleared things up.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on June 04, 2017, 04:14:30 am
Hi I a Peta from Facerobics. Firstly, it is impossible to make your "cheekbones" symmetrical. They are the bones of your skull, you cannot change them.  Secondly, face exercises when performed correctly shape to the natural shape of your face. Because it is a natural thing to be doing, unlike having a face lift, where the skin pulls the muscles up unnaturally. And thirdly, my face cannot get longer doing facial exercises, I cannot change the shape of my skeletal features.  Facial exercises are the only way to help your face become symmetrical again IF it is not skeletal related.

Greetings friend. Representing a company called Facerobics does not by itself make you an authority worth listening to. On the contrary, it makes you a bithc with an agenda.

I hope that has cleared things up.

I deeply hope you fuk off
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: MeltedFace on June 04, 2017, 07:16:18 pm
Hi I a Peta from Facerobics. Firstly, it is impossible to make your "cheekbones" symmetrical. They are the bones of your skull, you cannot change them.  Secondly, face exercises when performed correctly shape to the natural shape of your face. Because it is a natural thing to be doing, unlike having a face lift, where the skin pulls the muscles up unnaturally. And thirdly, my face cannot get longer doing facial exercises, I cannot change the shape of my skeletal features.  Facial exercises are the only way to help your face become symmetrical again IF it is not skeletal related.

Greetings friend. Representing a company called Facerobics does not by itself make you an authority worth listening to. On the contrary, it makes you a bithc with an agenda.

I hope that has cleared things up.

I deeply hope you fuk off

Bah! Let's be nice!!! I recommended this forum to Peta on YouTube where she runs an awesome Facerobics class FREE. It's helped me a lot and people on here have noticed I'm looking healthier from the exercises. It's okay ignore not everyone agrees or knows about facial changes with bone. Play nice, Progress! You are usually very kind to everyone
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on June 05, 2017, 07:00:55 am
Play nice, Progress! You are usually very kind to everyone

That much is true my friend, I am a particularly virtuous and self-aware human being. I enjoy sharing with others some nuggets of the information I happen to find and synthesize through practical experience into verified knowledge, all while I am merely trying to make my own interaction with the surrounding subjective reality more convenient.

In spite of this, I have little patience for anyone attempting to present broad binary statements as unexceptionable facts while shouting it all from behind a false sense of authority of a company selling trademarked products, as if reaching such conceptually trivial milestone would be enough to guarantee that precisely their empirically derived subjective perspective on the objective human anatomy is so intellectually superior and socially righteous that basically no one would feel the need to wonder about the validity of their claims.

If you believe you are worthy of respect, you can approach as yourself, on your own behalf. Your identity is not the company you're representing. You are you, with your individual reasoning. You are deluding yourself if you believe that it's possible to get away with a lack of effective argumentation as long as the staments you are making are inside the supposed area of expertise of the company you're representing. That may be how the cogs of the society work in the real world you're familiar with. But whereas the real world is a reality of fundamental inequality where ideas are judged differently depending on who presents them, the internet is a level ground where only the quality of your contribution determines the worth of your presence.

Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on June 15, 2017, 01:41:18 pm
Today I got the point... to determine if the asymmetry of cheekbones is muscle related... there are instruments who works specifically for this propouse. Things get more specific when we get our muscle force checked by proper instruments.. today I have been checked by myo therapist (tongue/lips/masseters) and surprise surprise....... the underdeveloped part has a weaker masseter force. Feels right enough?

This method is definitely a way to know what is actually going on in your face and even thought it's made specifically to build the patient diagnosis it will make your own situation clearer to yourself.

That sounds interesting, what about the rest of your body? I suspect it's not likely just the masseter that has asymmetrical fitness, but your whole body (and whether muscle asymmetry is a consequence of skeletal asymmetry or the skeletal asymmetry a consequence of poor muscle tone is another thing that will probably be taken into consideration). Your shoulders, torso, hips and legs probably have some form of muscular asymmetry too, especially surely if you have asymmetrically performed hobbies like tennis.

Did they talk anything about this?
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on June 16, 2017, 05:28:04 am
Yeah, it is a similar problem to facepulling without fixing tongue posture, meaning that the body will collapse again until it has collapsed enough that something starts supporting it. Ideally this support system would keep you standing straight and symmetrically instead of merely keeping you standing in whatever position takes the least effort. Overall it's more effective to strengthen the weak muscles than massage the tight muscles, because strengthening the weak lengthened muscles will automatically also lengthen the tightened overworking muscles, but massaging tight muscles does not automatically teach you how to use the weak muscles, slacking of which led to the asymmetrical tightness in the first place.

I have asymmetrical hips too by the way, and my mother think she has one leg longer than the other. I doubt that. Can you remember what kind of targeted massages were performed for your hip area?
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: thebigbird on August 31, 2017, 10:10:07 am
IMO Starecta is the base. face pulling and expansion imo wont give you the results you want without starecta.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on August 31, 2017, 11:01:15 am
IMO Starecta is the base. face pulling and expansion imo wont give you the results you want without starecta.
Starecta is the anti-base. To start from the base you'd have to actually start from the base. Starecta argues that posture and structure is determined by the bite, while in my view it's clear that the bite you have is determined by your posture.  Starecta is a top to bottom approach, starting from the most superficial dysfunction (bite) and continuing the way down towards the most primal, original dysfunction (usually hips or feet). But there's no way to guarantee you'll ever reach all the way down to the the feet, or whatever is the REAL base of your postural problems.

Working your way in ascendion from bottom to up, on the other hand, is comprehensive, because you won't be able to move on to the next link in the chain before have the former parts of the chain in full control. But you CAN accidentally miss a link when progressing in descending order.

The before-after pictures of the creator of the Starecta method do show improvements, but the final posture is still far from ideal - he needs to go further.

(http://i.imgur.com/DQQ5vbS.png)

In contrast, this is how I stand:

(http://i.imgur.com/D5BpCX5.png)


Final results vs work in progress. See the relationship between the head and upper torso. Or position of head & hips. He is semi-literally sloughing compared to me. See the difference in core activation and athletic form. I don't do any sports at the moment, yet I look fit, because instead of merely opening the body, I have strengthened it and learned to actually USE it in daily movements. I'm functionally symmetrical up to somewhere around the upper chest area. When the remaining musculature above this area starts to finally work in unison with the rest of the body, the wholesome forces of the changed movement patterns will start to reshape the facial structure into a more symmetrical form. My jaw has already started hanging towards the less developed side of the maxilla, meaning that some static structural pressure is already being generated into that direction.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on August 31, 2017, 06:52:40 pm
i have an issue too.i dislocated my right shoulder 5 years ago and ever since the doctors put it back in my right shoulder is more forward than the left.my right side of my face is more recessed too.my right face side was recessed before i suffered the dislocation so i don't know if it's correlated but the injury definitely won't help in getting my face symmetrical
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on September 01, 2017, 06:10:43 am
i have an issue too.i dislocated my right shoulder 5 years ago and ever since the doctors put it back in my right shoulder is more forward than the left.my right side of my face is more recessed too.my right face side was recessed before i suffered the dislocation so i don't know if it's correlated but the injury definitely won't help in getting my face symmetrical

Try this:
 
1. Tense your core from hips to upper chest
2. Without allowing your spine to rotate, push & bend one shoulder to one directional extreme and the other shoulder to the opposite directional extreme.
3. While maintaining the tension created by the shoulders moving to opposite directions, start rotating your shoulders in circles. For the whole circular movement keep the shoulders in their maximum range of motion at 180 degrees from each other, and try to maintain static amount of resistance through the rotation (which you won't be able to do at first if the shoulders are in a state of imbalance).
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: z0nt0n3r on September 02, 2017, 05:17:10 pm
yeah it feels a little weird.i have a bit of forward head posture which i think is also responsible for my shoulder imbalance.my right trap is also a bit lower than than the left.i'm doing some neck stretching exercises the last few weeks to improve the problem.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Tyler on September 12, 2017, 03:39:20 pm
Actually I read that whites aren't born to have cheekbones. That's more of a black human or red human trait, or asian.

I mean, I suppose it is a serious nordic trait too, but that's going back quite a ways.

Here's yours truly with glorious white non-cheekbones but a lot of healthy weight gained mainly from drinking whole milk and eating olives and hamburgers and moringa / spiruluna and hearty oatmeals and consuming lots and lots of cold-pressed flax seed oil (mixed flax oil and moringa powder makes a disgusting potion but it does the trick to nourish, and quick):


(https://i.imgur.com/A4dXCyq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iKCh9Mc.jpg)

Takes a smile sometimes to see these apples, but they show up - with health and fitness.

Note: Back in my young days I had a jewfro and a bit of bulbousy nose and actually have thought I was Jewish. But since the transformation I'm actually *seriously* English, and somehow it was just hiding under a Jewish look.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Tyler on September 12, 2017, 03:46:32 pm
Oh yeah, check out my other recent post. Loading so much nourishment into my body seems to have knocked out any problems of noticable assymetry, and I look pretty great to myself today. If I get any more handsome I'm going to need a good hobby or else I'll die from lack of food as I just gaze at myself in selfies.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on September 13, 2017, 07:38:57 am
Tyler, do you have any similar side profile pics from before you embarked on this journey?
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Tyler on September 13, 2017, 02:11:47 pm
No sadly but if it says anything, I used to feel very uncomfortable seeing my profile years back when my face basically lacked itself. Now I actually have my own face, so I love to take selfies now, If I don't get a good hobby and start sculpting clay soon like my dream was to start, I run the risk of turning into Narcissus soon

Also I really would not call it a journey because that implies it is an adventure. But week by week and month by month and year by year I do feel more ready and willing to *do* something adventurous.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Progress on September 13, 2017, 02:35:06 pm
Ha, when you set on to change your face in spite of respected professionals dismissing it as impossible, claiming that the face you have now is the genetic expression of "you" that you were meant to have, how could anything that happens next not be an adventure?

But yes, I understand 100% what you mean by having the intuitive knowledge that your face is lacking in some way.
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Tyler on September 13, 2017, 03:30:52 pm
I already study fringe science and learned that genes can be altered by food (and also by the music we listen to, as well as by the thoughts we cultivate and maintain) from the archive of knowledge at "the free community of interests in fringe and border sciences and ufological studies" - FIGU for short.

So for me it is just normal now, and nothing remarkable, since it is just a natural fact of how the universe operates in my mind, which makes complete sense so I just calmly adapt with it and don't feel it is anything miraculous. Although it is still very, very rewarding and makes me very joyful - mainly the fact that it means power to change ourselves even drastically is in every person's hands.

..................
I just snipped out the ... nerdish hypothesis about how it actually minutely works on a cellular level. It just is very, very cool, I know ^_^;;
Title: Re: how to fix asymmetrical cheekbones
Post by: Tyler on September 13, 2017, 03:42:47 pm
On a stranger positive note, my skin is almost eerily healthy now. I used to chain smoke, and had an ashy skin complexion like parchment paper, but today I have glowy skin like a teenager minus the awkward acne phase ...  :o :o I think my scar is even starting to fade, the one I got when I was a toddler and crawled up to the dog's food bowl to investigate