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Title: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: nakedeye on October 05, 2012, 10:39:41 am
A couple of people on the forum have mentioned experimenting with a face pulling device. I hooked a couple of elastics onto my hawley retainer and tried a few ten to fifteen minute sessions though i did not use any headgear as demonstrated on Plato's website, just held the elastics out at the angle and tension I though was working best...

I am not sure the results were strong enough for me to judge yet. It did feel pretty good. My bite was a little more open temporarily afterwards but because my lower jaw is still moving forward from NCR treatments, things have tightened up again for me. I still feel a huge amount of pressure on certain teeth during NCR inflations so at this stage I will give up on face pulling till I hit a certain amount of equilibrium with NCR. What are others experiences with it so far?   
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on March 31, 2013, 12:37:04 pm
I have been face-pulling for twelve consecutive days, and the results which I have achieved are very encouraging. Just as promised, my entire facial bone structure is being drawn into a more optimal configuration. My cheekbones have just come in, which has contributed to a more oval shape, which I am still stunned to witness in the mirror. My jawline has changed considerably, although I cannot report having any sensation of the bones shifting. Whereas my jaw previously appeared elongated and uncomfortable, it is beginning to resemble the balanced jawlines of attractive people that I have seen in public.

I am grateful that I did not undergo any sort of cosmetic surgery while I was obssesing about it, or I would not have the opportunity to see my face in its Creation-bestowed design. It is so difficult to quantify the changes, but I encourage anybody who is curious to try it! You will love the results!

I have attached a picture of my face, in an attempt to illustrate the changes. The lighting is different because I have recently moved out of my parents' home and I photographed the 'After' image in front of a near-infrared sauna that I purchased on-line. I am not certain that my face is tilted to the same angle; however, I have attempted to line up my eyebrows, in order to illustrate the overall changes in a simplified and accurate manner. I sense that the eyebrows act as a good anchor for comparison.

You will notice that I am not smiling in the second image. This is because, for the first time, I feel like I am able to look attractive without forcing a smile onto my face! In the past, I always wore a very slight smile because it provided a slight facelift to my severely flat face and absent cheekbones. If I stopped smiling, my face fell down and I looked like a skeleton... Now I can wear my neutral expression with without fear of looking emaciated! My face does look narrower in the 'After' image, yet I believe this can be contributed more so to the lighting.

Of particular note is the change in the shadow of my brow as it hangs over the bridge of my nose. This is the feature which I have always been the most intensely unsettled by, as subconsciously I feel that it relates to the emaciated appearance of a skeleton. Notice that in the 'After' image, the shadow appears a little shorter, which would seem to indicate that my nose is being brought out gradually to smooth out this harsh angle. This is one of the most exciting breakthroughs for me, as I have always coveted this feature. Although there is no depth to be perceived in a 2D image, this is also a signifier that my face is coming outward.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on April 01, 2013, 12:18:19 pm
After having the opportunity to "wear" my new face out in public a few times, I'd like to report on internal changes, which I have perceived. By that, I mean to illustrate how my perception of the outside world has shifted, and how others seem to be treating me a little differently than they did before.

To begin with, my intellect feels sharper. This does not mean that I grasp abstract ideas in any increased capacity, and has nothing to do with Intelligence Quotient; instead, it means that the information coming into my retina seems to be processed in a more keen, observant manner. My eyes feel a bit more relaxed, as well, and as a result, my gaze feels more equipped to perceive accurately.

At the grocery store today, I felt my gaze being light, and more approachable, than before. Please forgive my simplistic language, as I am not adept at describing my internal world of feeling and perception.

Others look at me in a different capacity now. In the past, I have been seen by the majority as somebody who is missing some cognitive function, albeit someone with a kind heart. I know this because I am observant, despite the illusion that I am an airhead, and because others have previously commented to that effect. Those who are close to me know that I have a temper in certain circumstances, but by and large I am considered to be a gentle soul by other people, if only one whom is frequently lacking lucidity.

I cannot read the thoughts of others accurately, but based on my observation of the expressions, and actions, of others whom I have recently met, I conclude that life is helping me out now, in ways which it wouldn't in the past. Since I live in a consumerism-based culture, this has predominantly taken the form of being given deals when I make purchases; however, of much greater importance, I feel there are instances where others are able to peer at my spirit, wherein I have caught their true attention for but an instant before the connection is lost. In some instances, rather than being greeted with fake, consumerism-based enthusiasm, I can detect a subtle curiosity in the voices of some people whom I have met, as if they detect that I am on the path of truth, light, and progress. This has very rarely occurred in the past, when others would praise me, or want to avoid me, in the same manner as they would treat a disabled person, instead of perceiving my true identity... In the past, only a rare young child would be able to perceive my spirit.

In other words, while I feel that my spirit is somewhat evolved in its capacity to observe the truth, my body has always presented an absent stare, and has clouded my perception. I am eager to find out if the two will synchronize someday, so that I am able to display my spirit's current place in evolution to the external world...

For unselfish reasons, I feel that we all ought to have such an opportunity, in order to act as a beacon of light for others, and to present a positive example for the rest of humanity.

There is something very meaningful here, which goes far beyond cosmetic appearance...
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: yellah on April 18, 2013, 04:48:45 am
Hi Tyler,

Thank you for posting. Are you doing the hockey helmet or the crane for face pulling? I wonder what kind of retainers are you using too. Did you had any relapse with  face pulling? I hope you'll be having more progress.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on April 18, 2013, 07:36:00 am
I am using the hockey helmet. It was somewhat costly at $65, but you may be able to find a cheaper alternative source on-line.

Fortunately, I was already fitted with braces before I came across Plato's work, so I did not require a retainer. As far as I am aware, I have not experienced any relapse. In fact, my progress is improving day by day. It is something I look forward to each and every day; furthermore, face-pulling has ensured that, even on days where there is little to accomplish in the way of employment or education, there is always progress to be made.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: yellah on April 18, 2013, 07:12:16 pm
Its nice to receive another good feedback from face-pulling. Hope to hear more of your updates and your journey with the progress as time goes by. Wishing you more progress. Thanks Tyler.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on April 23, 2013, 06:04:04 pm
After 33 nearly consecutive days of face-pulling, I'm beginning to see such remarkable changes in my facial-bone structure that I can no longer perceive my old outward appearance inside of my face! I have been afraid of the camera for my entire life, but I'm finally beginning to relish every moment in front of it!

Regardless, I'm simply amazed by this procedure! It is interesting to me that, the more my face is drawn into its optimal configuration, the more it feels like I'm finally seeing myself when I look in the mirror. It is difficult to describe what is meant by this statement... my reflection simply feels more like "me". Has anybody else had this experience, wherein the optimized facial structure feels more natural and suited to their personality / spirit? I suppose it is because the bone structure, in being slowly optimized toward the original blueprint, is much more aligned with the body that we were born into.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: yellah on April 23, 2013, 11:43:48 pm
Wow! its great seeing a new photo. You're definitely having the 3D look. Im excited for you Tyler. All the more i wanted to try this. Had been seeking for a dentist who would construct a retainer for me. I went to a lot already but they are not opened to this idea. Which tooth do you put the bands? Can i get some tutorial from you? lol.


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Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Walrus on April 24, 2013, 05:49:57 pm
Here's my face pulling experience so far.

At first I tried using my retainer with a hockey helmet.  However, I found this cumbersome, so I got rid of the helmet and instead just pulled on the elastics with my hands.  I found I could apply more force, as well as direct it better.  It felt better too, which is the best indicator of whether things are doing good.

Unfortunately though, I must have pulled a little too hard, because during a session my retainer exploded. 

Eventually I am planning on pursuing ALF orthodontic treatment, so instead of wasting money on a new retainer, I decided to just find a temporary solution.

I bought a simple moldable mouthguard (about $3), molded it, punched a couple holes where the clips should have been and attached shoe laces instead of rubber bands.  I just pull on the shoe laces with my hands. 

To my surprise, using the mouthguard felt even better than using the retainer as I was before (I prefer the shoelaces to the elastics).  The downside with the mouthguard is that I have to bite down to keep it in my mouth.  All in all, this temporary solution has served me well so far.

In general, the feeling I get from face-pulling is one of relief and calm.  It relaxes me and I zone out.  If I pull too hard, this feeling goes though.  Also true if I pull more than about 30 minutes.

My results have not been anything spectacular.  However, since I began NCR last week, the face-pulling treatment feels more powerful.  Maybe the NCR is loosening things up? 
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on April 29, 2013, 04:13:53 pm
Thank you for sharing your innovative strategy with the forum, Walrus! It will surely benefit others, who cannot afford a hockey mask!

I suspect that the NCR may be loosening any areas, which were previously locked up due to tension, although I cannot speak with any authority on the matter.

I still have not gotten into the habit of capturing images wherein my shoulders and back are lined up straight against a flat surface, but I have a set of images, which nevertheless illustrate the dramatic change possible from this face-pulling procedure.

I have overlaid a wire-frame image of the Golden Ratio atop two self-portraits, and created a GIF animation, in order to demonstrate the changes. As you can see, in the 'Before' image, my jawline extends quite far beyond the bottom of the optimal facial-bone structure. However, in the 'After' image, which has been captured after approximately 40 consecutive days of face-pulling, my jawline is almost perfectly aligned within the Golden Ratio. My eyes have also come forward quite dramatically, and the shifting bone structure has yielded a more aesthetic brow shape.

It is interesting to me to observe the changes in my own facial structure. I have always been regarded as a little bit slow, albeit naive and harmless. Now, as I perceive the dim-witted gaze present in the 'Before' image, I can see where people were misled to this conclusion!

Keep at the procedure, Walrus! It is not easy to detect changes as they occur very gradually over time; however, I hope that my testimony has been able to convince you that dramatic changes are occurring, even if you do not see it on a day-to-day basis.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on April 29, 2013, 06:20:50 pm
Having gotten into the habit of capturing my progress in a series of images over the span of the past 40 days, I must say that one of my favourite aspects of face-pulling is being repeatedly impressed by my own new-found level of proportional aesthetics. Each time I observe a change, I say, "Wow! I have never looked so handsome before!" and then, 2-3 days later when I capture another image, I say, "Wow!" again, and proceed to gawk in amazement at the "old me", which now looks sickly in comparison.

It's not a bad way to stay positive, hehehe...  ;D
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Walrus on April 29, 2013, 06:38:53 pm
Holy smokes Tyler!  Your transformation is amazing - you look like a completely different person.

You look like a model in the second picture!

Are you wearing a neutral expression in both pictures?  I see exactly what you mean when you describe your change in expression.  I don't mean any offense, but I do see the slightly "dopey" look you described in the before picture.  Like you are a little "spaced-out".  This is replaced by a much more intense, dominant look in the after picture (I mean this in a good way!).  I think this is primarily caused by the change in you brow-line as you mentioned, but I could be wrong, as all your features seem to fit the mask better in the after picture. 

Anyways, congrats on your progress and I hope it continues!  Your results are inspiring!

Having gotten into the habit of capturing my progress in a series of images over the span of the past 40 days, I must say that one of my favourite aspects of face-pulling being repeatedly impressed by my own attractiveness. Each time I observe a change, I say, "Wow! I have never looked so handsome before!" and then, 2-3 days later when I capture another image, I say, "Wow!" again, and proceed to gawk in amazement at the "old me", which now looks sickly in comparison.

It's not a bad way to stay positive, hehehe...  ;D

Hey now, maybe I should take back the compliments I just gave you...  I don't want you to get too vain! ;)

Just kidding of course, you have every right to be proud of yourself.  ;D

I am in the same boat as you.  Since starting NCR, my emotional reaction to my reflection has improved considerably and takes me by surprise sometimes.  All because my cranial structure is improving.  It really is a remarkable experience.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on April 29, 2013, 07:42:17 pm
Every time I see these pictures, I am amazed.

I don't know how to put a mask like that over any of my images.  How do you do that?

I've just had NCR, and hopefully another session (5th one!) next month, or perhaps June.

I don't have a retainer, nor do I know anyone locally who could make me one, but I may get the mouth guard and try the shoestring approach.

I have been using my fingers behind my palate in the designated spots and pushed outward and upward at the angles as shown in Plato's site.  It feels good to do so, and I did it to relieve some TMJ issues such as cracking and tightness in the TMD joint.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on April 30, 2013, 08:09:10 am
Holy smokes Tyler!  Your transformation is amazing - you look like a completely different person.
 

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly! It has been a life-altering experience for me; however, at the same time, I understand what Plato meant by being unfamiliar with being so handsome all of a sudden! Although my reflection is much more aesthetically pleasing now, I frequently forget that it is a true reflection of my face!

In a way, I'm very grateful that I spent the majority of my childhood, and adolescence, looking sickly and spaced out... I am having a difficult enough time not succumbing to vanity now, in my early twenties! I cannot imagine how difficult it would be to resist vanity as an attractive teenager!

I see exactly what you mean when you describe your change in expression.  I don't mean any offense, but I do see the slightly "dopey" look you described in the before picture.  Like you are a little "spaced-out". This is replaced by a much more intense, dominant look in the after picture (I mean this in a good way!).  I think this is primarily caused by the change in you brow-line as you mentioned, but I could be wrong, as all your features seem to fit the mask better in the after picture. 
 

Do not worry; I take no offense from your remarks. My step-father's nickname for me used to be "space cadet" because I was always detached in my mannerisms and, evidently, in my expression.

Sadly, while you have asked whether my expression was neutral in both images, to this I must regrettably say, 'No.'

You see, before my facial-bone structure was optimized in the manner it has been thus far, I possessed an incredibly long, sunken face. Consequently, I got into the habit of wearing a slight smile at all times, which acted as a slight "face-lifter". Truly, however, my eyebrows were still settled in repose in both the 'Before', and ‘After’ images, so the comparison in regards to my gaze is accurate. Furthermore, the difference in the position of my lips in the ‘Before’ image from my neutral expression at the time is very slight, so rest assured that you are seeing an accurate representation of the procedure's capability. That is to say, only the corners of my lips were slightly upturned.

You look like a model in the second picture!
 

I believe my gaze has become much more "Alpha" in nature now, which I have noticed is a common trait shared among models. This "Alpha" stare is perhaps the source of intensity and apparent assertiveness, which you have observed. In an earlier post, I commented that it felt as though my gaze had become “lighter” and more approachable than before. It is interesting to note that, the more friendly my gaze feels to me, evidently the more assertive and ‘Alpha’ it becomes.

To that end, I feel quite exhilarated because I finally have the opportunity to be taken seriously without having to adopt a sometimes unnervingly sophisticated language. My mom has told me to stop speaking in my sophisticated voice at times because it freaks her out. Now I am able to express myself with much greater ease, requiring much less “forced intelligent expression”, which generally worked against my favour. It has brought me utter joy.

What is a man to do when his face does not effectively communicate his intelligence to others? Evidently, he face-pulls, that’s what!
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on April 30, 2013, 08:33:39 am

I don't know how to put a mask like that over any of my images.  How do you do that?

It requires some basic knowledge of image-manipulating principles; namely, layering images, resizing images, and making effective use of layer modes.

I will attempt to describe a simple tutorial of the process.

Step 1: Open an image of your face in an image-manipulating software program. For my manipulations, I use Pixlr, a free on-line service.

(http://i.imgur.com/Z9RB4CE.jpg)

Step 2: Copy, and paste, an image of the Golden Rule mask over top of your self-portrait. Ensure that it is pasted onto a new 'layer'. As you can see, in this example, the mask is significantly larger than my face; hence, it does not fit within the boundaries of the image.

(http://i.imgur.com/Tq1uUgb.jpg)

Step 3: Change the 'layer mode' of the Golden Ratio mask to 'multiply'. I am afraid that I do not how to explain layers to you in an effective manner; however, you can find a multitude of informative tutorials on the Internet, which will explain layers and 'layer modes' in greater detail.

I have also 'desaturated' the image of the mask, in order to make it stand out more readily. As you can see, it is dark grey now, instead of red. However, it is still too large.

(http://i.imgur.com/HQtDR5H.jpg)

Step 4: Finally, you will need to resize the mask. While selecting the appropriate layer in Pixlr, click on (Edit - Free transform...). Then, once you see a box encapsulating the mask with an anchoring point in each direction, hold the 'Shift' key and shrink the image using one of the corner anchors. By holding 'Shift', you will ensure that the mask retains its proportion.

Lastly, carefully line the mask up with your irises, and you will be set!

(http://i.imgur.com/cvFIaCE.jpg)

Good luck!

PS. Please let me know if I have left anything too vague! I want to help you succeed, and certainly image-manipulation is not effortless once you attempting to familiarize yourself with it.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on April 30, 2013, 08:41:08 am
To help anybody along who is interested in applying this Golden Ratio mask to their own face, I have also attached an image of the male, and female, ratios. The female mask is black, while the male mask is red.

F! that ****! Ok, I don't have a golden ratio face. My face is long. But you know what, it is freaking okay. Lots of beautiful people have a long face! Liv Tyler anyone?? What a sick guy I was before, but now I fortunately have some freaking sense.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on April 30, 2013, 09:08:34 am
I still don't know how to get it to work.  It's not transparent.  I don't see the layering thing you're talking about.

Maybe some screen shots of what you're clicking on during each step?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on May 01, 2013, 05:44:53 pm
---- sighhhh. I'm just cleaning up my posts for posterity. So sorry for the sudden interruption. My experience has been pretty positive I suppose. But, I went nuts. I look ok now though. But I now pull gently and if I don't feel anything, I DON'T PULL HARDER. My body's so numb to pain, I could yank and yank and feel nothing. I have no idea if I damaged my skull doing that!
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on May 01, 2013, 05:49:33 pm
Gosh... the margin of error, which I just described in my last post, is so slight that I wonder if it will even affect anyone's perspective, lol...

Nevertheless, I want to ensure that there is no reason for somebody to say, "This process DOESN'T WORK!" Furthermore, I don't want to make promises that the procedure can't honour!

This would be a lot easier with a set of that square-grid wallpaper...
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: viridian on May 13, 2013, 05:10:54 am
Hi Tyler,

Thanks so much for posting some photos of how the face pulling is working out for you.
I am planning to get a retainer made up -- something I've been meaning to do since the start of the year, but haven't quite got around to it yet!
The changes I can see in your face are pretty strong, especially considering you have only been doing it for 40 days or so from your last post. Plato's face has gone through some remarkable changes too.
One thing that is making me hesitate, and maybe this is a bit silly, but how have people in your life reacted to the changes in your face?
I feel like I won't be able to explain (or want to) to people around me.

And whilst I definitely want a more three dimensional face, I'm also a little worried on losing the wonky bits of my face that I might not know that I liked until they are gone.
For example, I quite like what you have called the slightly dopey look in your face in the before pictures. Now it is more classically handsome, but it is probably not the kind of face I would strike up a conversation with because it is now more alpha and alphas have a certain personality type.
Is this making sense??  For example the guy on Plato's site, the original guy, in the after photo he looks handsome, but I would probably see him as a bit of a meat head and a bit aggressive and I wouldn't strike up a conversation with him. But I guess all of this is saying more about me than anything!

Love to hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on May 13, 2013, 08:50:48 am
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Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on May 13, 2013, 09:41:57 am
It is also pretty awesome to observe that my singing voice has improved dramatically since I started face-pulling; that is to say, my dynamic range in terms of musical pitch has increased, and the melodic quality of my voice is now much more evocative, refined, and elegant. I cannot base my presumption on scientific evaluation, but it is leading me to the conclusion that we are all meant to be able to sing beautifully when we possess optimized cranial-bone structures, as well...
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: viridian on May 13, 2013, 04:55:22 pm
Oh thanks so much Tyler! Such a considered and thoughtful reply.
I think it is precisely these concerns that have had me dragging my feet a little. And I feel much better now. It is incredible to me that your friends and family haven't noticed the changes. But then again I was thinking of how so many people look so different to their photos. A little while ago I met a bunch of people that I had only ever seen a little passport-like photo of, and I barely recognized them. I've also heard it said that some people who are incredibly beautiful/handsome in life photograph terribly and vice versa. I once saw a girl who I thought was extremely plain, she had makeup, hair and lighting applied as part of a fashion shoot, and became stunning. I remembered being stunned. It is something to do with the camera picking up bone structure in a way that the human eye doesn't privilege perhaps. Some people have theorized that when we talk to someone we see an animated face as attractive. Who knows though.

I do want to do this. I had terrible dental work done in my teens and they forced my teeth back. I don't have a lower jaw and my profile is very sunken. I have very large teeth and a very small jaw. It has also caused sinus problems and I'm beginning to think that my one leg shorter than the other is from the dental work.

I really think you look wonderful. And that is great your singing voice has more of a range. I'd love to sing. Can't at all!
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on May 13, 2013, 05:33:01 pm
I'm glad that I could address some of your concerns. I would like to make a statement to potentially assuage your concerns regarding 'Alpha' personality types, as well, but I will do so later when I have more energy to recall the point.

I am sad to hear that your face has become distorted, but you will surely attain a more aesthetically appealing profile through performing NCR, and through face-pulling. My own profile, which was also very sunken in the past, has changed considerably. Furthermore, if any nagging doubt lingers in your mind, let me assure you that there are many benefits in letting go of the distorted features which have, in my cases, become like a second ego that has become grafted onto our consciousness. The benefits would seem to defy my ability to express them effectively in words, but I can say confidently that with an optimized facial-bone structure comes a more integrated, peaceful, and majestic life.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Walrus on May 15, 2013, 10:29:26 am
Tyler, your FP results are astounding!

In examining your method to determine how you were achieving this, I realized the only (IMO) significant difference was that you were pulling from your back molars whereas I was pulling from my eye-teeth.

Now, I have been using a mouthguard with shoelaces instead of the retainer and helmet.  My belief though is that although both of these devices are obviously very physically different, they should perform the same task ie. applying a light forward force on the maxilla.

So the other night I moved the shoelaces to the back molars and tried FP. 

Success!  I actually felt slight soreness in my cheekbones and eye area.  Chills too.  And after treatment, as I lay in bed, I felt warmth rushing through me.  I also felt extremely energetic and happy.  I had not previously experienced anything like this in all my FP attempts.

I've only been doing this a couple days, so I need more time to accurately determine if it is working.  I am hopeful now though that I can achieve results like Tyler!

Finally a couple question for Tyler:  Have you treatment more than once a day at all?  I initially found myself craving treatment, much like I did with NCR.  I indulged this craving yesterday though, treating several times, so the feeling has much subsided today.  I was planning on indulging until I gained an aversion to treatment (like I did with NCR).  I know the orgoneproducts guys have strongly urged against over-treatment though, so I am a little apprehensive.  I do believe though that over-treatment requires excessive treatment over an extended period of time, whereas I feel my aggressive initial treatment will eventually settle into something gentler and more consistent.  I believe over-treatment requires not listening to one's body as to whether things are improving or not.  I think it requires a conscious mind's impatience ignoring what the body is saying.  Anyways Tyler, do you have any experience of thoughts on this matter?

Did you experience soreness beyond the first few treatments Tyler?  Or did things eventually "settle down" as your body became accustomed to treatment?  Can you describe any symptoms you experience during and after treatment?

Thanks!
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on May 15, 2013, 12:36:36 pm
With pleasure.

After treating myself for nearly two months, I still experience mild soreness after pulling; and, occasionally, I experience soreness during, albeit I always proceed until half an hour is up. Certainly, I have been tempted to do treat myself in excess, but I have only treated myself once per day.

I cannot offer any insight regarding excessive treatment, but I do not recommend it. The author of the blog you indicated in your recent post suggested that his own progress was delayed by six months because of excessive pulling, so I do not wish to tempt fate - nor do I encourage you to do so.

Unfortunately, I cannot say that my circumstance accurately reflects your own because, so far, I have not experienced any sensation of relaxation and peacefulness during treatment, yet I am not certain why this is so. It is worth noting that I am a very vigilant individual, which may account for the seeming lack of endorphin-release. Nevertheless, I experience occasional soreness in my cheekbones, so I know that the procedure is working. Evidently, the photographic evidence that I have provided can offer some manner of testimony, as well.

I did not see results immediately. Furthermore, because I have a habit of obsessing over my appearance in the mirror, my own gradual progress has been rendered invisible to my vision.

I encourage you to take at least one self-portrait now, so that you have something to look back on, if you possess only a poor-quality camera. You need not feel obligated to share your results, as there will certainly be enough testimonies in the future as these procedures become more widespread. By capturing an image, however, you will be able to gauge your own gradual changes. To that end, it is something that occasionally brightens my day, and lifts my spirits in times when I am not feeling excited about anything.

P.S. I feel that my communication in this instance is quite sterile; hence, I overlooked the fact that I felt an incredible amount of happiness while reading your post! Knowing that you managed to succeed makes me very glad. I look forward to hearing more about your progress in the future!
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Walrus on May 18, 2013, 06:54:53 pm
EDIT:  ***PLEASE SEE THE THREAD "What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring" FOR MY UPDATE ON FP AND CRANIAL RESTRUCTURING***

I've been having great success with face-pulling the last few days and would like to share my method.

Please note that I've only been using this method for a few days, so things may be subject to change ie.  I hope I'm not jumping the gun here. 

I am not following the conventional method with the retainer and hockey mask.  Instead I am using a mouthguard with a shoelace attached (sorry for the terrible picture!):
(http://i.imgur.com/gHwuyaq.jpg)

It cost less that $5 for materials.

Holes are punched (I used a kitchen knife) near the eye-teeth and by the back-molars (these holes I made along the "crease" ie. where the mouthguard goes from horizontal to vertical as this is the sturdiest part of the mouthguard.  I use a single shoelace which goes along the back as it creates a sturdier structure.

To use, I simply put it in my mouth, hold it in place gently with my tongue (tongue is above the lace at the back), and pull on the laces with my hands.

I have found pulling hard on the laces works best for me.  If I can't feel anything in my skull then I am not pulling hard enough.  I also prefer to pull more frequently but for shorter durations.

Results so far (sorry, no pictures) are similar to Tyler's ie. stronger brow, more prominent cheekbones, stronger chin, more horizontal and defined jawline.  I am amazed at the results I have achieved in so short a period of time.

IMO, NCR and FP achieve very different results.  NCR is improving my skull shape, symmetry, taller forehead, and other more subtle changes.  FP simply pulls the maxilla forward.  However, this creates drastic changes in the face.  If done successfully, I believe FP can rapidly improve looks and function. 

I am very grateful to have discovered both these techniques!

So if anyone is interested in attempting FP but doesn't have a retainer or hockey helmet, give this method a try.  It is so easy and there is almost nothing to lose (except a few dollars)!   
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on May 18, 2013, 09:03:03 pm
Your method is very ingenious, Walrus! I might try it out in the future, just so I have something to compare against the hockey mask method. Lately, I have also been curious about what I will refer to as 'face-spiraling'; appropriately, referring to the updated procedure which Plato describes in vague detail on his web site. I am beginning to wonder how this procedure might be improved on... yet I presently have trouble imagining what Plato might be describing.

I have attached another photograph to demonstrate my progress. It has now been approximately 60 days since I started (previously thought to be 70).

My progress has seemed to slow down lately, in that the changes are no longer as pronounced; however, the space between my eyebrows where you can easily detect a shadow is becoming closer to becoming "closed" as my nose is drawn outward to smooth out the area. The expression in my eyes also seems much different now. I am not certain why it is so, but my complexion is also remarkably healthier-looking. In the past, I possessed a pasty, sickly complexion that received many comments; yet, while I have not spent any significant period of time tanning in the sun, my "pale" complexion is now a rosy peach colour that I am growing quite fond of, and which has received positive compliments.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Jay on June 07, 2013, 12:15:31 am
Hi there,

Thanks for the mouthguard idea! Did you buy a single mouthguard (for just the top row of teeth), or a double one?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on June 08, 2013, 08:54:31 pm
I would LOVE to get a mouthguard and try it this way!

For the time being, I've been doing it via face pushing, by putting my thumbs on the palate where my eye teeth are, and pushing upward and outward as shown on the FP website.  I am getting results this way, but I prefer to do the mouth guard thing.  I'm not even sure where to buy those.

I do it with my fingers in short intervals (3 min at a time) a couple of times a day.   I can feel it in my TMD joint and my cheekbones get slightly sore, like right after an NCR session.  In my case I believe less is more.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Walrus on June 17, 2013, 04:23:21 pm
Hey guys, just a quick update on my progress.

I'm still using the mouthguard as shown before and results continue to be great.  My routine usually consists of a few short sessions each day.  I pull pretty hard, and after maybe 10-30 seconds my jaw/head starts getting sore/aches (no acute pain or anything though!).  I then stop and rest for a bit.  Then I repeat, maybe 3-5 times.  It all comes down to how I feel.  Once I can't pull at all without ache I stop.  Results are immediate.  I often look slightly different after treatment.  I never experience any post-treatment symptoms whatsoever.

Some interesting changes:  My mandible now sits differently; my tongue fits better within my teeth and my TMJ is much better; my voice improves slightly after each treatment; better breathing.   

Also, the method I use to pull involves wrapping the lace around my first two fingers, with my thumbs on the bottom of the lace.  So basically I am making fists with my thumbs pointing towards myself.  It's pretty intuitive.  My hands were also getting a bit torn up, so I bought some cheap gardening gloves.  The grip with these makes the process even easier.

@Jay:  It's just a single mouthguard for the top teeth as shown in the picture.  Probably the most simple mouthguard you can buy.  You shouldn't be pulling on your bottom teeth.  Your mandible should naturally come forward as your maxilla advances.

@MM:  You can probably buy one at most sporting department stores, or anyplace that sells hockey gear.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on June 17, 2013, 05:32:33 pm
Cool update, Walrus! I will try your method tomorrow to see if I can obtain immediate results, as well.

Later on the week I will post some new photos, and then I need to make a video on lining up my face for comparison, lol - I promised it to Ben and then procrastinated on the task for weeks omg.

I noticed that my mandible sits differently, too. It looks much more attractive, lol, although I do not know how to describe the change. It seems to have "swung out", though, just like Plato said it would.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on June 17, 2013, 08:30:54 pm
I think mine will begin to roll forward on the condyles and drop.  I think it's already on the way, because last night the mandible jaw felt weird, not bad weird, but as in different weird.  No pain at all.   A little soreness in the cheeks area similar to what it feels like after NCR.

I'm still using my fingers though, and stop after my arms get tired.  I can go 4 minutes before stopping and I do that at least twice a day.

I want to do it longer before posting pics though.  Most have already seen my progression in the NCR series.   Which I'm having another one (6th session) later on this summer.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: viridian on June 29, 2013, 12:13:50 am
So I FINALLY got a mouth guard and made some holes etc. yay!
Mine is made of some kind of gel like plastic, which is probably what they are all made from. Part of me worries that the holes might stretch or something, but hopefully everything will stay put.

My big question for those who are doing it this way, how do you know if you are pulling at the correct angle? Are you pulling up more, or away from you more?
And are you putting your tongue on the shoelace the whole time?or keeping the guard in place by gritting your teeth a little? - just not sure where the tension should be with regard to the mouth.

Love some advice.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Gaia on June 29, 2013, 06:09:17 am
Hi,

I've been lurking around these forums for a while now and I have to say your face pulling and NCR pictures are very impressive and inspiring. Tyler, your results are amazing!! Keep us posted!

I intend to start face pulling soon. In the meantime I've been doing some orthodontic work on my own. This isn't something I would recommend but I'm very satisfied with the results. I'm doing lateral palate expansion with a Schwarz plate and after only 3 mm of appliance expansion I now have gaps between all my teeth and my cheekbones have come out a bit. My lower jaw also came forward some on its own.


Unfortunately though, I must have pulled a little too hard, because during a session my retainer exploded. 


I was worried about this. People like myself who are using an expansion appliance would probably try to attach the rubber bands to it and start pulling. However, if it breaks a lot of progress could be lost.

Has anybody else had this happen to them, where an appliance shatters, bends or deforms due to the pulling?



Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: s on July 01, 2013, 07:43:28 am
I was interested in getting a schwartz for myself? Where can i get one without a dentist rx?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: viridian on August 07, 2013, 04:17:47 am
Ok folks, I've been using the mouthguard and shoelaces for about 5 weeks or so. I don't pull for very long (probably only about 5mins or so), and there have been a few days that I missed.

It was hard to chart the progress for a while mostly because my face gets puffy very easily and I have chronic fatigue and am always trying out new detoxes etc. which set me off. So there were days that I was looking in the mirror and thinking 'wow, my eyes are so puffy and weird (or something) and does my face always look like this??' And I couldn't tell what face pulling was doing as my face would flare up and it was as though the face staring back at me was quite distorted.

Many years ago I had some terrible dentistry done, and one of the things that I had to do was wear this wire thing that clamped around my upper back teeth whilst I slept. It was supposed to push my back teeth further back to 'theoretically' create more room for my other teeth that were cramped and not sitting straight. Now of course I realise that this thing was effectively pushing my mandible back, and doing the very opposite to what I'm now doing with the shoelaces and mouthguard.
All that time of wearing this thing to bed every night resulted in quite a flat face. Though I'm only really realising how flat it was now.
The biggest thing for me has been that I'm starting to get a chin! It is a bit weird getting used to seeing it there, and when I look at my face from 3/4 it seems odd to have to pop out at me, as opposed to being receding. 
And I think I've also noticed that the bridge of my nose is coming out further - something which freaked me out at first, as my immediate thought was 'my god my nose is getting bigger!' But what is happening is that the whole face is slowly starting to gain more dimension, and so my eyes are simultaneously seeming more deep set.

All the changes so far are miniscule though really, we are talking fractions of a millimeter here, especially as I don't have a helmet so don't do it for 30mins.
I'm sure that no one else has noticed anything different!

As to whether I look better, it is hard to say. I probably look more balanced as the lower half of my face isn't receding so much. Though my face, to me, looks more boney. As it was flatter, it seems more harsh now and as though I need extra bits of fat. But as it is my face it is hard to tell which bits I'm simply getting used to.

I have taken some lowish light photos just with the camera on my laptop, and I can see more clearly in those that my face somehow seems more compact, less long, less frowney and more pleasing. When I look in the mirror though, I see a face that is slightly different, not necessarily better, or more classically good-looking, just a little different, more sculptural, more harsh, and the skin/bags under my eyes seems to bulge more (something the camera doesn't pick up).

The differences between what the camera likes and what the eye prefers is interesting. The camera definitely likes more sculptural qualities. Whilst in the flesh sometimes I feel like I miss some of the softer bits that used to be there. Though I also know that my face was/is problematic in that it is asymmetrical and crooked, and whilst I have high cheekbones, they were fairly non-existent directly under my eye, and that part is now becoming slightly fuller and less sunken.

I will definitely keep going as I have back issues and feel that it must come from the jaw. That is my main aim actually, a hope that doing this will sort out other structural issues I have.

Finally I haven't noticed any differences in how people approach me, or my relation to the world, as others have reported.
Though now that I think more carefully about it, maybe I am a little less withdrawn, possibly not so much in my behaviour, but in the sense of simply wanting to move out into whatever is before me without hesitation. It is all still early days though.

Hope everyone else is going well.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on August 07, 2013, 04:44:25 am
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Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on August 07, 2013, 11:12:04 am
I wish to also say, as a personal part of my experience, that my own face has not always progressed into more attractive forms; which is to say, each increment of improvement from NCR and face-pulling has not always been appealing to me afterward. There are times when, due to the presence of bone which was not present before, I have developed unappealing dimples, or my jaw has seemed to grow vertically long again in a manner which causes my face to look too long and narrow.

However, over the course of time, these unappealing features have begun to shape into very appealing features. For example, what was, for a span of approximately three weeks, a large dimple in the side of my face has filled out to become a prominent, rounded cheek which, adding a lot of width to my once very narrow skull, nicely balances out the length of my face.

I cannot say that everybody's experience will be identical to my own, but I am willing to estimate that some aspects of my experience will be universal; namely, that some features will seem disproportionate and asymmetrical for a time as the other features "catch up", in a manner of speaking.

Take care.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: viridian on August 08, 2013, 10:45:56 pm
Hi Tyler,
Thanks for this! Your description of moving from zombie to vampire made me smile. Great visual!
I have loved hearing all the things that you have written about over the last few months, so thank you again for taking the time to write about your experiences. You've certainly motivated me.

I think that face pulling has definitely made me look better, it's just been all the little bits of adjusting in-between. It's not until parts of your face change, that you begin to notice how your face never really fitted together very well in the first place.
As per your suggestion I'm going to add more healthy fats in my diet, was going to anyway as I finally also figured out that I have some heavy metals in m system that I need to detox from. Butter seems to aggravate my sinuses, though I absolutely LOVE butter, so I might try ghee.

I haven't started NCR yet, but I do want to give it a try soon. Will get all the bits and pieces over the next couple of weeks. If I get scared / confused I might send you an email.
That is great that you now have room for the wisdom teeth. Mine got pulled years ago. They were so crowded that they were growing sideways!

xx
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Gaia on August 25, 2013, 05:10:11 am
I just started face pulling a couple of days ago. I have to admit I will be pretty disappointed would it appear that it doesn't do anything for me. ;)

I'm just curious, on Plato's website he says it replaces jaw surgery. Is he talking about a Le Fort osteotomy - 1 or 2? Those of you who have tried face pulling, which one would you say? (Here are pictures of the different fractures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Fort_fracture_of_skull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Fort_fracture_of_skull) )

Plato also says that if you have neck pain, face pulling won't help unless you address the neck issues first. At least I have severe neck pain, I thought it was because of the imbalance of the skull though (chicken and the egg kind of thing). 

Also, I was wondering what face pulling is supposed to feel like? Is it supposed to linger for a bit afterwards, or like a lot of force when doing it, or like nothing in particular? I feel like I could pull much harder but so far I have been making haste slowly. 
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on August 25, 2013, 08:47:27 am
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Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on August 25, 2013, 08:54:35 am
Oh, since I forgot to mention it earlier, I will mention it now. Face-pulling has wrecked my braces, so that each time I go in for an appointment I am required to have new brackets put on. I do not mind it since the braces, in the grand scheme of things, were pretty ineffective at helping me obtain my structural goals... but I do suppose that it might baffle - and upset - the lady who works on my mouth each time!  :-X
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on August 26, 2013, 06:17:07 pm
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Plato also says that if you have neck pain, face pulling won't help unless you address the neck issues first. At least I have severe neck pain, I thought it was because of the imbalance of the skull though (chicken and the egg kind of thing).

I suggest emailing Plato and asking him about this directly, though of course somebody else on the forum might have the answer.

I would consider the ABC (Advanced BioStructural Correction) for that.  I have an ABC chiro close to me, thankfully, so we are now working on that very thing.  Between that and my NCR, my headaches have lessened tremendously.   In between my ABC corrections, my husband does the 1st Rib maneuver on me when I feel that I need it.

Go to http://www.advbiostructuralcorr.com/ and check to see if anyone is in your area or closeby.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Gaia on August 27, 2013, 11:48:22 am
ABC seems very interesting! So what is this type of treatment? Massage, Chiropractor-like adjustments, balloon therapy or...?

How much does one session cost you?

Unfortunately I'm in Europe but I might move soon.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on August 27, 2013, 05:33:57 pm
ABC

http://breakthematrix.createaforum.com/therapies/for-those-of-you-that-can%27t-find-an-ncr-doctor-close-to-your-area/
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: yellah on September 05, 2013, 08:10:12 pm
I found this article which reminded me of face-pulling. Though I'm not sure they acquire the same process. The man who wrote this had his upper palate moved back through braces as a kid. He, then, had his bad orthodontics corrected by pushing the upper palate forward by elastics years after and said his face changed for the better with elastics.

http://www.yestheyrefake.net/journals/jaw_chin_advancement.htm
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Complexx on October 03, 2013, 07:10:17 pm
Any updates anybody? Tyler? Anyone?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on October 12, 2013, 12:41:29 am
Any updates anybody? Tyler? Anyone?

How's these?   Different expressions, angle of camera, and different photo effects to highlight cheeks and face.

Mostly NCR, but some facial pulling (with my fingers).

(http://digitalangeldonnadj.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/1385572_578026922264998_1446470332_n.jpg)

(http://digitalangeldonnadj.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/0c1ea539c69a8215b6b2e93b42045bbd.jpg)

(http://digitalangeldonnadj.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2023af8ff831174fe6ea72c5ed5b716d.jpg)
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: yellah on October 12, 2013, 02:57:27 am
Hi Messiahmews, you look amazing. How many minutes are you doing the face-pulling with fingers daily? and how many weeks did you notice the difference?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on October 13, 2013, 06:12:03 am
Hi Messiahmews, you look amazing. How many minutes are you doing the face-pulling with fingers daily? and how many weeks did you notice the difference?

Thank you.

I only do 5 minutes at a time.  If my face gets sore, then I will skip when I feel the need to.  Probably around the second month after starting.  When I do NCR, I don't pull and I wait it out until it's okay, which is a month or more.   Also, a month later or more, I start back up with ABC adjustments/corrections.

It's okay, if it takes a tad longer with me, because I'm probably older than everyone else here.  I'm 56 years already, so I take things slower.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: yellah on October 13, 2013, 06:51:47 am
Hi Messiahmews, you look amazing. How many minutes are you doing the face-pulling with fingers daily? and how many weeks did you notice the difference?

Thank you.

I only do 5 minutes at a time.  If my face gets sore, then I will skip when I feel the need to.  Probably around the second month after starting.  When I do NCR, I don't pull and I wait it out until it's okay, which is a month or more.   Also, a month later or more, I start back up with ABC adjustments/corrections.

It's okay, if it takes a tad longer with me, because I'm probably older than everyone else here.  I'm 56 years already, so I take things slower.

If my face does not sore, does that mean Im doing the wrong way? I was doing finger face- pulling but I did not feel any soreness after though.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MessiahMews on October 13, 2013, 07:37:17 pm
Hi Messiahmews, you look amazing. How many minutes are you doing the face-pulling with fingers daily? and how many weeks did you notice the difference?

Thank you.

I only do 5 minutes at a time.  If my face gets sore, then I will skip when I feel the need to.  Probably around the second month after starting.  When I do NCR, I don't pull and I wait it out until it's okay, which is a month or more.   Also, a month later or more, I start back up with ABC adjustments/corrections.

It's okay, if it takes a tad longer with me, because I'm probably older than everyone else here.  I'm 56 years already, so I take things slower.

If my face does not sore, does that mean Im doing the wrong way? I was doing finger face- pulling but I did not feel any soreness after though.

You're probably doing it okay.   My skull has had NCR for over a year now, and it's unlocked and more movable, I think.  I could be possibly pulling too hard.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: FebruaryRichard on October 19, 2013, 09:20:07 pm
Hello beautiful people! Just a quick question. Do you guys think I should face-pull with my permanent, bonded retainers still on the back of my teeth (upper 4 and lower 6)?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Shinealight on July 11, 2014, 10:16:51 am
My face pulling experience has been extremely spiritual . . .
Vanity caused me to get braces, which changed my entire facial structure for the worse (obviously. I'm beginning to think that in most cases, braces are a BAD idea, especially in children, much less the extraction nightmare kids are put through!!).
I prayed to God for a solution. I hadn't been very faithful recently. I was lead astray from my beliefs . . . Except I still had a flicker of hope. I knew something had to give . . .
So when I prayed to God, I hadn't expected a solution right away. I expected Him to send me to more doctors, having to wait around even MORE while I suffered in my gloomy ugliness. But as I read forums about people complaining about my exact problem, somebody mentioned "face pulling" and "break the matrix." Break the what???!! Funny thing is, I'd been on the aforementioned forum before, and never noticed it. Sort of like how I never noticed in Breaking Bad how the joint Jesse's parents threw him out of the house for belonged to his BROTHER until I watched that episode again. It was just such a big plot point, a big twist, but I'd either never noticed or forgotten completely about, for whatever reason. Buuuut anyway . . .
But once I Google'd "face pulling" and found Plato's site, I knew I had a solution!! I couldn't even believe it!! I'm 12 days into it, and I already look different. I was preeeeeetty ugly before, so I'm still ugly, but I'm less ugly and soon enough I'll be gorgeous again, as I used to be.  :D
I face-pull and listen to a Christian station on Pandora. Afterward I feel completely amazing. I know with absolute certainty that God sent me this site and solution. "Seek and ye shall find," indeed.
It's kind of difficult to wait for the end product. This is true. But what would you rather -- spend thousands of dollars on expensive braces that are on for two years that only reverse the extraction spaces and don't make your profile much different? Or a cheap-as-balls, infinitely healthier, natural way to fix all your physical, psychological, and, in my case, spiritual problems???
I choose the latter, personally.  8)
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Knoppe on July 23, 2014, 04:16:03 am
Shinealight:

It's good to hear that you are feeling better. However, I'd just like to point out that it's not that easy to say what works for everyone. For some people, the cranial distortions and a retruded maxilla/premaxilla is the problem and that can be fixed with pulling/moving forward (head traumas and such as an example). Other people need sagittal movement through expansion to widen the arches.

I'm not trying to bash your story and I'm happy that the home treatment is enough for you. I just want to chime in for others reading the forum. I've noticed that a large amount of people are fixated on apperance and forward growth and compare NCR, facepulling and functional orthodontia with eachother. As I see it, they are not the same and they do somewhat the same things but each of them have a main function.

Some people like Ben, need to get the cranial bones straightened and NCR does this. Including some forward movement. Face pulling helps more with forward movement. If the dental arches are to narrow for the tongue to find it's resting place, then an applience or even some types of braces will help open the space needed for the tongue.


Mostly it's a combination of treatments depending on each persons needs. I'm an avid advocate for NCR since I've noticed it's benefits on my posture and facial structure but the ALF has done more for my breathing and tongue space whilst face pulling really brought my cheekbones forward. I've also seen some people getting wider dentaö arches from only NCR but it's not a coincidence that Dr.Howell works with (if I'm correct and he still does) Dr.Belfor.

Just wanted to point out this common missconception that the treatmets are better or worse. They don't do exactly the same things. Same, same but different so to speak. :)
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: earl26 on August 18, 2015, 05:57:09 pm
I have been face-pulling for twelve consecutive days, and the results which I have achieved are very encouraging. Just as promised, my entire facial bone structure is being drawn into a more optimal configuration. My cheekbones have just come in, which has contributed to a more oval shape, which I am still stunned to witness in the mirror. My jawline has changed considerably, although I cannot report having any sensation of the bones shifting. Whereas my jaw previously appeared elongated and uncomfortable, it is beginning to resemble the balanced jawlines of attractive people that I have seen in public.

I am grateful that I did not undergo any sort of cosmetic surgery while I was obssesing about it, or I would not have the opportunity to see my face in its Creation-bestowed design. It is so difficult to quantify the changes, but I encourage anybody who is curious to try it! You will love the results!

I have attached a picture of my face, in an attempt to illustrate the changes. The lighting is different because I have recently moved out of my parents' home and I photographed the 'After' image in front of a near-infrared sauna that I purchased on-line. I am not certain that my face is tilted to the same angle; however, I have attempted to line up my eyebrows, in order to illustrate the overall changes in a simplified and accurate manner. I sense that the eyebrows act as a good anchor for comparison.

You will notice that I am not smiling in the second image. This is because, for the first time, I feel like I am able to look attractive without forcing a smile onto my face! In the past, I always wore a very slight smile because it provided a slight facelift to my severely flat face and absent cheekbones. If I stopped smiling, my face fell down and I looked like a skeleton... Now I can wear my neutral expression with without fear of looking emaciated! My face does look narrower in the 'After' image, yet I believe this can be contributed more so to the lighting.

Of particular note is the change in the shadow of my brow as it hangs over the bridge of my nose. This is the feature which I have always been the most intensely unsettled by, as subconsciously I feel that it relates to the emaciated appearance of a skeleton. Notice that in the 'After' image, the shadow appears a little shorter, which would seem to indicate that my nose is being brought out gradually to smooth out this harsh angle. This is one of the most exciting breakthroughs for me, as I have always coveted this feature. Although there is no depth to be perceived in a 2D image, this is also a signifier that my face is coming outward.

Just read your post. very interesting.
one question was your issues related to extractions?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: marie on February 23, 2016, 11:36:15 am
Okay...so I have been face pulling for a little less than 4 months now.  It's not as life changing or amazing as the other users are making it out to be, but maybe I'm doing it wrong.  All I use are two paper clips and two thin rubber bands (well, a rubber band and a hair tie now).  I do it while watching TV.  I don't feel anything until (sometimes) after I take the two clips off my braces (the feeling NEVER hurts).  Then I take a picture for documentation purposes.  Now, taking in account of all the different angles, I have noticed a slight (and by slight I mean slight!) shift forward.  Being somewhat pessimistic I could dismiss this for wishful thinking, BUT my TMJ is gone.  Whenever I would yawn or open my mouth wide open my left jaw would always pop -- now it doesn't. 

So there, that's all I have but I hope it was helpful.  The disappearance of the TMJ has motivated me to keep continuing.  I noticed an effect within 3 months, so definitely hang in there and be patient.  I may still have a weak chin but I hope it will grow considerably stronger by the end of the year. 
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Tyler on February 23, 2016, 12:47:17 pm
That's great, and a real relief from me.

Maybe I went a bit extreme in the negative in my OP, after going so extremely in the positive.

You don't know how frightened I was about my old threads, that might've encouraged some folks to do some real damage to themselves.

Hopefully now folks will forget about my dumb overzealous over-positivity, and stick with the sensible advice.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: BobShortdoller on July 02, 2016, 03:47:21 am
Bro you look creepy as hell in the new pictures. you had more of a bro look before im kinda straying away from trying this now :-\
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Brutus on July 04, 2016, 11:38:28 am
Can we see any pictures of your profile?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Autumn Knight on August 07, 2016, 07:22:57 pm
What do you guys think of doing Walrus' facepulling method with a Myobrace Trainer? I have an A3 Trainer.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: bloom on August 12, 2016, 06:54:51 pm
Would simply biting down onto a thick towel and pulling upward and away work?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: liv_vilke on August 14, 2016, 09:27:41 pm
Hi ppl! I want to try facepulling but I have dental crowns of upper infront teeth. Is there anyway not to break dental crowns by pulling? I really wanna try this method. Good idea with mouthgourd.   :)
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Betterbytheday on August 19, 2016, 10:40:18 am
Hey i've tried the mouth guard technique but I cant seem to get a good fit on my top jaw and when I try to pull it only pulls at my front teeth, so biting down on the mouth guard and pulling was only way. The force started bucking my front teeth out. Ive bought some more mouth guards to try again.

@Bloom
I Tried something similar with a belt and this actually repressed my upper jaw and my cheekbones!. The force has to be outwards and forwards only. Pushing upwards will compress your upper jaw and zygo area back

The facepulling of bringing the maxilla forwards seems extremely unlikely, the guys that did it must have had NCR to allow the bones to be more malleable
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Allnicc12 on August 21, 2016, 02:41:34 pm
The 'belt' method does work slightly if the forces are pulled up and outwards as opposed to just up, all a headgear does is just that, pulls slightly upwards and outwards which is how u pull on the belt ie upwards and pull outwards away from your face, this does work so much better with NCR either by a practitioner or yourself if you know what your doing and what to feel for etc, reason being as the cranial plates are more susceptible to being moved and shifted, note your cheekbones will shift along with your entire skull from NCR alone and mewing because upwards and outwards is where your maxilla ideally needs to be for optimal air intake and NCR helps correct that position regardless of facepulling.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: XyberH on August 23, 2016, 09:14:13 pm
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Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Betterbytheday on August 27, 2016, 12:15:19 pm
UPDATE: Face pulling and belt method
Ive spoken to a few people recently including a young fellow who has had negative experiences with belt pulling. When your biting down and pulling from the rear molars or wisdom teeth (if you do still have them). The force applied would compress your maxilla only from the rear which would swing the lower jaw upwards at the back not the front! Essentially this is making the gonial angle worse and actually rotates your lower jaw in a more unfavourable position making your lower third shorter. It would increase your jaw angle not shorten it. This maybe ok if your a woman but not so good if your a man. your lower jaw will 100% become narrower. Ever since I have done this ive noticed my orbitals have sunk and have been repressed. Again this is caused by upward force at the back of the maxilla it makes complete logical sense as to why it compresses your cheekbone area. I found this site though my own vanity and became set to improve my facial appearance despite being normal except for a slightly long midface, weak chin and mild crowding of teeth. I guess I paid the price and I fully deserve it. Would welcome any others opinions, experiences and advice on the matter. Im now looking into NCR to reverse the damage.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: nobody on August 28, 2016, 06:25:29 am
I have some opposing points of view for your consideration:

- Bones are malleable, but they're not that malleable. Maxilla is still one bone, and by pulling it to any direction pulls the whole maxilla in that direction.

- I'm finding it hard to see your logical sense in how upward force would repress your orbitals. If anything, moving the maxilla and zygos higher and forward should give the whole eye are more support, unless you've been pulling towards the back of your head (which would be quite difficult in the first place).

- Mewing with posterior tongue gives constant force to similar direction than facepulling, and it nearly never makes facial characteristics worse

Unless you took good before and afters, I'm pretty convinced that you're just experiencing placebo, because from personal experience I know how easily it can happen. The way I perceive myself in the mirror fluctuates from day to day, and other factors like amount of sleep, water retention, exercise and diet significantly influence daily appearance.

Personally, I've been beltpulling mainly forward, since as a kid I had a nocturnal appliance that pulled my upper jaw backwards towards the neck. I've seen some improvement in overbite, but most dramatic differences have started coming from correct head/body posture and strong mewing throughout the day.

It also helps to keep your lower jaw as relaxed as possible when belt pulling. You are able to anchor the belt to the upper back molars and the area behind it, "bite" down with the upper jaw by tilting head downwards. Then you should be able to just relax your face and pull forward.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on August 29, 2016, 02:00:26 pm
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of using the belt to pull. I feel it puts too much pressure on too few teeth. If you are going to use a belt though, I recommend biting down on the back bicuspid and FRONT molar, rather than the back molar (I heard Dr. Belfor, of homeoblock, explicitly recommend this in an interview). Our back molar isn't really designed for chewing on food, its function is somewhat similar to wisdom teeth in that they help take space in the jaw, not chew on food.

Personally, I've experienced teeth pain from using the belt method. Betterbytheday's theory kind of makes sense, and just to be cautious, it probably would be a good idea to spend some time biting down with some of the more anterior teeth to get a better balance.

FWIW, I think I've had the best experience using the mouthpiece method and second to that the towel.

NCR has provided the most benefits I believe, but I think the benefits are diminishing.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Betterbytheday on August 29, 2016, 02:14:42 pm
Mewing is beneficial as it provides gentle stimulation for bone growth I can accept that. However belt pulling in my personal experience is damaging. My jaw is just not the same as it was and has gone from a squarish shape to more of a V. Pushing up on the rear of the maxilla with heavy force is going to compress your upper molars into the maxilla (along with the clicking and cracking sounds). Its not recreating new bone or pulling the maxilla forward. it is literally compressing your teeth into your upper jaw. What will end up happening is the upper jaw will be slanted upwards at the back and your lower jaw will follow subsequently to be also higher at the back.

As for the cheekbone area being repressed I cant explain but my cheekbones are definitely not more prominent they're more flat and further in my face and my eye area has suffered. my eyes feel more out of my head and when I smile I feel like the wrinkles around my eyes are more deeper. Its quite hard to take in cause I knew I looked slightly worse after a week but I just kept with it and it got worse and worse. Ill upload some pics for you guys.


Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Betterbytheday on August 29, 2016, 02:45:30 pm
PICS
This is after 1month. And again a guy I spoken to has seen the exact same changes as me. Shorter narrower lower third and more bloated midface.

Couldn't upload as attachments so:

Before
http://imgur.com/a/P86TP

After
http://imgur.com/a/WKMyR

Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: nobody on August 29, 2016, 04:03:25 pm
Interesting.

I tried to match the photos on PS, and they seem to have been taken from slightly different angles vertically (the after photo being from a less flattering angle). It certainly looks like your face was better in the before photo, but whether this is just the result of the before picture showing your face from a slightly lower angle and height, it's hard to say. But I believe your word.

What kind of cracking are you experience by the way? When I mew my sinus area tends to make an audible pop every now and that feels relieving, kind of like some mucus or tissue gave up somewhere deep in my nose. I never experienced any cracking or pain near the gum area when pulling though (i never pulled as much up as I did forwards). It actually sounds quite scary to be honest.

Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Betterbytheday on September 02, 2016, 10:48:58 am
I have taken many pics from many different angles and I cannot recreate the angularity in the first pic. In every pic I honestly just look worse. When Belt pulling upwards at the rear molars you'll hear cracks or clicks as in the teeth are compressing into the upper jaw this is the joints being compressed. During this time I was chewing falim gum so in essence my jaw should be wider  ??? Now I look back chewing along with upwards force at the rear molars is just making the compression stronger. My cheekbones have become repressed making my eyes look gormless. Again the most depressing thing for me is I look worse and feel worse (my jaw just feels like its in my throat, feel slighty tired and light headed all the time). I just know my jaw has got longer and further down and back. And I have symptoms of my upper jaw being further back but I cant understand logically how why it is but I just know it is.

I feel I need to come here to release my frustration, family and friends think i'm obviously insane. I mean who IRL gives a **** if there cheekbones are receded slightly and the face and jaw has become longer. But to someone like me who was already insecure it really is a kick in the balls. I would be content If I got my old face back.

And I dont know how you guys cope with this. I think I'm honestly mental I just had a reality check and just thought to myself wtf am I doing. Researching hours on these forums, biting into belts and cutting my fingers trying to put shoelaces through mouth-gaurds, obsessed with looking in the mirror constantly to see if my jaw angle has changed, buying tonnes of turkish chewing gum and chewing hard foods. Thinking people are constantly judging me on my facial structure. **** it go and live your life stop obsessing over this you Just cant win, you'll just destroy yourself physically and mentally.

Its not worth messing with if your normal

Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MJON on September 02, 2016, 03:30:21 pm
Betterbytheday in a way I agree with you, by checking these sorts of forums all the time I've become a lot more introverted, and similar to you in that I'm obsessed with the idea that everyone is now judging my facial structure. So even though I definitely need something done, until then I am trying to just get on with my life and think positively. I'm saving up and working towards my goal of being pain free and happy with my appearance, but there is definitely no point getting upset in the time being, it's just making things worse.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Allnicc12 on September 04, 2016, 11:55:56 pm
I really would try and keep things as simple here, perform self ncr along with mewing ie keep your tongue in the upper pallett, if u cant do that then learn it, the reasons ppl will relapse after ncr is because there not keeping the skull position in place via the tongue, u dont even need to beltpull or facepull anyway since mewing is doing the same thing, ncr will provide the stimilus for suture seperation but its down to the your natural retainer ie your tongue to solidify the new position, stop looking in the mirror for changes, jus ncr and mew and let nature and time do the rest, changes for the better will happen but takes years not days and months, am only now geting favourable changes and its taken 2 years of mewing.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Betterbytheday on September 11, 2016, 08:00:33 am
Ive tried taking the pics from a more straighter angle to highlight the jaw change. This vertical growth pattern has continued even though i've stopped and I've tried to ignore but it keeps growing like this I want to make it stop but I don't know how. It just amazes me how much i've changed in face shape over 1 month. Its like my face has melted away. :-\ Ive lost my masculinity. I feel like people treat me differently. It messes with your mind. Im usually quite tough to deal with this but its **** me over in so many ways. I feel depressed and feel constantly fatigued.  Ive lost weight from this and feel really stressed out and I haven't been to the gym in weeks. My face is so much more feminine.

Would NCR give me any benefits? Is there anyway I can apply force to reverse it? I'm thinking of getting jaw surgery and be done with this once and for all. Surely If I had changed this quick in a negative way I should be able to reverse it and change back in the same time.

http://imgur.com/a/Zmhub

http://imgur.com/a/pnORi
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on September 12, 2016, 05:19:42 pm
Yeah, your face actually does look a little more feminine in the after pic.

NCR might help you some, but not likely to fix your problem by itself. I would advise just get back to basics. Teeth together, lips together, tongue on the roof of the mouth. Breathe through your nose. Most facial lengthening is tied to not breathing through the nose. You might be subtly mouth breathing. If you keep your lips sealed, and breath through the nose you may find it to be uncomfortable, but just be mindful of the discomfort and continue breathing through the nose.

You seem to be very anxious about your situation, try some mindfulness meditation, it might help you out.

If you were able to f yourself up that quickly, you should be able to fix yourself equally easily. Just focus intently on the basics.
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Post by: Allnicc12 on September 12, 2016, 11:27:02 pm
I agree, NCR or self NCR if u can do right, Bens instructions are pretty good, but NCR to loosen up the joints along with pressure from tongue on top of the palatte is all youll need, but accept itll take time and not quick fix but the results will be pretty much permanent, main reason people relapse is simply because their tongue isnt holding the new shape in position after NCR has been applied.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on September 13, 2016, 05:39:13 pm
Also, try biting down on a towel with your anterior teeth only as far back as the 2nd bicuspids. This might reverse the biting with the second molars you were doing. Just a thought.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Betterbytheday on September 14, 2016, 08:22:29 am
Thanks for the replies guys, QuantumLookMaxer I've noticed ive been mouth breathing at night and this has been probably the biggest culprit. I struggle with this because ive actually had a turbinate reduction which caused symptoms of ENS(empty nose syndrome). Im a unique case because if I were to expand my upper jaw for cosmetic reasons and to broaden my cheekbones it would make my nasal airway even more empty. This is one thing that makes me hesitant for getting ncr mainly cause I dont want to tamper with my nasal airway and risk making the symptoms worse.

Another thing was Mewing, imo getting the rear of the tongue to the back of the palate burns through your gonial angle because the muscles just under your jaw contract and have got no where to go (since your jaw is already narrow). Just like when you open your mouth with a fixed head posture your jaw swings back into your thoat and it feels uncomfortable, over time the gonial angle would remodel around the airway. Mew himself described this with the mew push swallow. Looking back I should've just kept with it though

I'll try to maintain good oral posture and try some mild pulling with my bicuspids
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: bob on October 18, 2016, 06:41:10 am
Hey, I was just wonering exactly how do you use a towel to face pull? I've been trying it and I feel like i've been doing it wrong.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: Ryan on October 21, 2016, 12:26:49 am
Hi bob,

I've not been using a tower , but basically I believe it is the same as using a belt (Which i am using)..

Basically you bite on the towel, as deep as you can so your back molars are biting them, and you pull in a direction that is in between forward (away from your face) and upward. That way you are pulling your whole maxilla up and fowards . The amount of time or interval people do this, varies. You could start doing it like 10 times a day for 30 minutes and look in the mirror after these days and see if you see any minor difference. Just be sure to study and remember your face well, since some people might not see differences just because they don't know their face well enough. Face pulling and such goes slowly, but (at least to me) the results after a while are really worth it. They will motivate you to deep doing it!
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: TheGreatWork on July 07, 2017, 03:36:30 pm
I just want to note that this thread was going great until Betterbytheday showed up and started casting unreasonable doubt on everything. Even to the point of saying that the posterior of the tongue pushing the hard palate is bad for your gonial angle, which we know is not true.

I think it's viable to completely ignore anything betterbytheday said, their situation seems to be completely unique and their facial deterioration cannot be explained by facepulling or mewing

Any other progress updates, if anyone from this thread is still here?
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: TheNo0n3 on July 08, 2017, 05:49:45 am
I just want to note that this thread was going great until Betterbytheday showed up and started casting unreasonable doubt on everything. Even to the point of saying that the posterior of the tongue pushing the hard palate is bad for your gonial angle, which we know is not true.

I think it's viable to completely ignore anything betterbytheday said, their situation seems to be completely unique and their facial deterioration cannot be explained by facepulling or mewing

Any other progress updates, if anyone from this thread is still here?
Oh man, seriously f*ck off, the first time there was this other guy who flamed on BetterByTheDay's post and I was too lazy to comment, but now that there are two of you delusional ignorant souls I cant hold it. First of all there are only two testimonials with pictures of people who did belt facepulling and I havent seen the smile of both of them, neither has anyone who did face pulling talked about it. Have you seen what happens with the teeth when u expand the jaw in the course of 3 months? They look like abandoned wooden fence. So how do you think they are going to look when expanding and changing the whole skull in the course of 2 weeks. Have you seen people with bruxism and their teeth? They are half sunken in the gums, same with the belt, so I hope you understand that u just cant do this and to look perfect without having any professional work done. I dont know for how much time u have been into the topic but there are a lot of people who are pulling on the wrong places with wrong force and get all different results that are not what really is expected and there is no going back. Something else, someone once wrote that when pulling he felt his jaw more relaxed but after some time the sensation disappeared, so he though that maybe that is how the jaw is supposed to really be. Well, no, as strangely as it sounds it is because of dislocation of the TMJ, the lack of alignement of the TMJ can not only cause pain, but can also cause relaxation, something by which the people conducting the studies were very amazed by. And believe me, you dont want TMD, nothing is worth it. And what he was saying was truth, claiming power in the beginning was to help people, after that he was about the money. And honestly the only person who looked better after the face pulling with the hockey mask was patient zero, the others are just delusional seeing things that are not there and imo looking much worse with huge assymetry, sunken eyes because they have pulled the bone out of the eye support and so on. These things are hell and everybody is trapped in the torturing of his own mind, myself included, but at least dont be delusional and dumb about it.
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: TheGreatWork on July 08, 2017, 09:01:06 am
I just want to note that this thread was going great until Betterbytheday showed up and started casting unreasonable doubt on everything. Even to the point of saying that the posterior of the tongue pushing the hard palate is bad for your gonial angle, which we know is not true.

I think it's viable to completely ignore anything betterbytheday said, their situation seems to be completely unique and their facial deterioration cannot be explained by facepulling or mewing

Any other progress updates, if anyone from this thread is still here?
Oh man, seriously f*ck off, the first time there was this other guy who flamed on BetterByTheDay's post and I was too lazy to comment, but now that there are two of you delusional ignorant souls I cant hold it. First of all there are only two testimonials with pictures of people who did belt facepulling and I havent seen the smile of both of them, neither has anyone who did face pulling talked about it. Have you seen what happens with the teeth when u expand the jaw in the course of 3 months? They look like abandoned wooden fence. So how do you think they are going to look when expanding and changing the whole skull in the course of 2 weeks. Have you seen people with bruxism and their teeth? They are half sunken in the gums, same with the belt, so I hope you understand that u just cant do this and to look perfect without having any professional work done. I dont know for how much time u have been into the topic but there are a lot of people who are pulling on the wrong places with wrong force and get all different results that are not what really is expected and there is no going back. Something else, someone once wrote that when pulling he felt his jaw more relaxed but after some time the sensation disappeared, so he though that maybe that is how the jaw is supposed to really be. Well, no, as strangely as it sounds it is because of dislocation of the TMJ, the lack of alignement of the TMJ can not only cause pain, but can also cause relaxation, something by which the people conducting the studies were very amazed by. And believe me, you dont want TMD, nothing is worth it. And what he was saying was truth, claiming power in the beginning was to help people, after that he was about the money. And honestly the only person who looked better after the face pulling with the hockey mask was patient zero, the others are just delusional seeing things that are not there and imo looking much worse with huge assymetry, sunken eyes because they have pulled the bone out of the eye support and so on. These things are hell and everybody is trapped in the torturing of his own mind, myself included, but at least dont be delusional and dumb about it.

You wrote a lot but didn't really say anything. If someone does the practice incorrectly, they will have incorrect results. Forces applied in the correct direction, in the correct amounts, produce correct results. An up and forward maxilla will always look better than a down/back one
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: TheNo0n3 on July 08, 2017, 10:23:10 am
Yeah, that was my point. You cant apply forces in the right direction, right force, correct amount, forget about it. Neither you know them, nor you will do them. I have been saying this on every second post I make but I want to avoid anyone hurting himself, wanna know how I dislocated my jaw? Simply from chewing gum, neither it was long, nor it was wrong. I had been doing it for 40 minutes and it happened. You dont want to be in the place of tmd sufferer, believe me. But do what you want, cant save immature heads
Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: TheGreatWork on July 08, 2017, 10:45:14 am
Yeah, that was my point. You cant apply forces in the right direction, right force, correct amount, forget about it. Neither you know them, nor you will do them. I have been saying this on every second post I make but I want to avoid anyone hurting himself, wanna know how I dislocated my jaw? Simply from chewing gum, neither it was long, nor it was wrong. I had been doing it for 40 minutes and it happened. You dont want to be in the place of tmd sufferer, believe me. But do what you want, cant save immature heads

Getting your jaw dislocated by chewing gum is an incredibly unique case, you've got something wrong with your jaw that most of the population doesn't need to worry about. You should take special precaution with everything you do, because your situation is messed up. Anyone who has such problems should take extra caution. You clearly didn't, because the jaw doesn't simply dislocate while chewing without clear discomfort beforehand - what you were doing was wrong. Those whose jaws function correctly can take less caution, and stop to rest when they feel discomfort.

Just because your situation is preventing your growth, don't be like a crab-in-the-bucket where you want everyone else to stop trying. We're figuring out the right direction, force, and amount of force to get correct growth. Multiple people here and elsewhere have said 30-40 minutes a day is the maximum to be pulling, and you shouldn't pull when you feel pain. And an upwards and forwards direction produces results, and coupling everything here with mewing/endonasal improves results dramatically. And others are seeing 5+mm of palate expansion with devices.

And you want us to stop because you injured yourself, as if that now has to be everyone else's problem. That's silly



Title: Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
Post by: MeltedFace on July 08, 2017, 08:17:02 pm
The facts remain that we don't have MANY studies, examples, etc. with good documentation or techniques and while we know what's needed, getting there is very experimental aside from maybe what Mike Mew is doing - and even HE admits to still testing things for adults