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Title: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on May 04, 2016, 06:03:21 pm
Hello,

I recently came to realize how underutilized my incisors and canines are when chewing. Back in the paleolithic days we used to use our incisors to tear off the flesh of animals before we would  move the food to the back of the mouth and begin chewing it with the molars. Now, in the present day we use forks and knives to do the work of our incisors for us.

A theory that I recently have been toying with is that the incisors need to be utilized when chewing to promote optimal facial growth. You can put food into the front of the mouth when chewing, but I don't feel it has the same effect as it does when you use the incisors to tear into something big. If you tear into something big you are utilizing your Jaw's full range of motion, but when you move food to the front of your mouth to chew your not really using full range of motion. Your mouth movement will be restricted by what you can maintain in your mouth.

I recently have been chewing on a rolled up towel. Its a great jaw exercise and it really emulates the effects of using the incisors to tear into something. While chewing, I'll even incorporate some face pulling while my bite is closed down on the towel and will pull in a forward/upward motion. I notice similar effects as when I use the mouth guard and shoe lace technique pulling technique.

Do you guys think its logical? I haven't been trying it long enough to have definitive before and afters, but I definitely feel it and will continue doing it because it seems to make a lot of sense to me.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on May 20, 2016, 05:52:10 pm
Hmmm, you do got a point.

Nowadays we barely even use our front teeth, when would have alot a long time ago.

It way have a role in further bringing out the maxilla.



Have you experienced any changes or results? I might start doing this.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on May 25, 2016, 04:55:37 pm
I've found that biting down with my mouth full of a sturdy cloth with a focus on biting with the incisors has helped improve my gonial angle. My lower jaw is pretty retruded and doing this method naturally forces me to bring forward my lower jaw forward while putting the muscles under tension.

This should help if your mandible is retruded as well as if your maxilla is retruded.

I've also found that by jutting my lower jaw forward like kobe in this image (http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/599/243/kobe_bryant00-clenched-teeth-headshot-sorta-med_display_image.jpg) the tongue will have more room to be placed on the roof of the mouth because my mandible will be in a more forward position, forcing my maxilla to play catch-up.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Improvement on May 25, 2016, 08:53:41 pm
You will lose support from your jaw if you do that position.

Not good.

Causing face lengthening. I did it for years because I didn't like my "natural" look (overbite). Problem only got worse, and now I have to face it (lol, face it)
I accepted my look... nevertheless, mewing and braces are helping a lot, the problem is getting fixed soon. Thanks God, It's been a long time.


Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on May 27, 2016, 12:49:21 pm
Yeah, thanks for the input. I should put in my signature: warning, I am not a doctor and I do not really know what I'm talking about.

However, I have found benefit from doing this position, as it makes it easier to push my tongue up on the roof of my mouth(mostly just the front part of the tongue as I don't think I can fit the posterior portion on there yet). I did have orthodontics that pretty severely retracted my face, so that may be why I find it beneficial to do this.

I am considering seeing an orthodontist about alf though.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on May 31, 2016, 01:15:49 pm
Real good advice on the chewing with insisors on a cloth , will start doing it.

But the lower jaw placement is not good, as you loose all support from your jaw pushing which helps alot for widening the face and bringing the maxilla foward. The whole tounge needs to there, not just the tip, and it itworks to also widen the dental arch.

But good luck,
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 10, 2016, 02:33:52 pm
Any new results? Notice any more changes?
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on June 12, 2016, 09:16:54 pm
Hi Gucci, sorry for the late response. I wanted to give myself some time to see results before I posted again.

Your probably right about the jaw jutting, and I've stopped doing it.

However, as I continue to do the face pulling with a towel I notice that my bite is somewhat naturally assuming that jaw jutting position, but not in an unnatural way like Kobe is doing in the picture.

I have noticed undeniable results so far from this method. More so than anything I've done in the past (tongue on roof, face yoga, etc.) Jaw is more prominent, cheek bones more prominent, and overall my face is more chiseled and defined.

I'm not just biting and pulling with the incisors either. I focus my bite on different parts of the mouth, like the molars or canines. The method is simple, just bite down on the towel really hard and pull forward and up. Pulling laterally seems to do something as well, although I'm still experimenting with it.

I'll do about 5 intervals of 3-5mins each 2x a week, as I believe its necessary to let the muscles recover before commencing with another workout. This is in line with bodybuilding principles that say that recovery is tantamount to achieving growth in between workouts.

Here's a like to a very popular thread on lookism where a guy is doing something very similar except he uses a belt.
http://lookism.net/Thread-Looksmax-Belt-facepulling

The guy's before and afters are incredible. I probably won't be showing any B/A's cuz I'm shy like that, but I might in the future.  :P
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 16, 2016, 11:22:51 pm
Oh my **** God... his before and After are **** incredible, definitely adding what he's doing.

Wonder what his time and reps are...???

oh yeah, I was doing the biting on a towel and it temporally kept giving me a gap between my front teeth, lol, haven't done it for a few days but I definitely will
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: monarch on June 17, 2016, 04:11:42 am
What teeth did you bite the towel with? Was it your front teeth or back molars?
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 17, 2016, 06:51:16 am
I used both at the same time, sometimes seperate
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: monarch on June 17, 2016, 01:53:38 pm
I think it's better to mount the pulling with your morals, theyre more stable than incisors.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Improvement on June 17, 2016, 02:06:28 pm
That Asian looks horribly, he is faking changes also
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 17, 2016, 07:55:46 pm
His changes are completely real.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Improvement on June 17, 2016, 09:15:11 pm
I don't see any changes on him to be honest; his hair grew, and his skin is whiter. He is raising his cheeks to look better. His face looks fuller because he obviously gained weight

He received a lot of criticism on his thread because of this, I only accept that his jaw looks stronger but it's barely anything in "1 year doing facepull with a belt"
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 18, 2016, 10:16:12 am
If you don't see the dramatic difference in facial structure, from frontal to side profile, then you are delusional. Just because you cant get results, dont mean others cant.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Improvement on June 18, 2016, 02:40:40 pm
There is no point in arguing with you. You've become a fanboy of something that looks ambiguous. You have sentenced yourself to be misled by your poor point of critic

I don't try to discredit the method he is using neither the guy himself. The method has sense; I do not deny.

All I did was share my point of view. I've read other threads he made and he went thru braces and who knows what else. So the whole change cannot be attributed to beltfacepulling, Go figure. His "structure" still looks rather identical

How effective could this be? I don't know but If Tyler did hurt himself doing traditional FP to a point where he became insane about it what can "Hanging your head on a bar with a belt" do to your skull  :o

I still like the method that Quantum proposed as It doesn't looks very invasive. Being the guinea pig and documenting the changes is the only real answer

And yes... I've experienced A LOT of changes since I started my journey into Cranial Restructuring and I know this because I've been documenting everything by taking several photos month after month with the same angle/head position/neutral stance/background/illumination/etc. and not using the "photos I took from my last trip" as a reference

Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 19, 2016, 06:17:02 pm
Identical??? lol
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: James on June 20, 2016, 05:35:27 pm
I checked out that link to that forum as well, that guy looks pretty strange, also the jist of the thread is that he won't post any photos of his face that match the position of his face in the original before photo, he keeps doing this weird pouty smile face that obviously excentuates his check bones, some people are even saying that he may have acromegaly which is a disorder of the pituitary gland that causes the bones of the body to grow larger than normal resulting in a bigger head ect. my own personal interest in these things is more from a general wellbeing viewpoint better flow of cerebrospinal fluid better posture better spinal health more balanced body clearer mind ect, I find all the cosmetic stuff kind of depressing, striving for that perfect face is a fools game in my opinion.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 22, 2016, 05:06:04 am
The Person started when he was 18, doing the Face Pulling, along with constant Mewing, and Tough Chewing Gum.

No way he has some Hormonal disorder, that's **** idiotic speculation, he doesn't look that weird just overly masculine and Asian, he made his face jaw and cheekbones to wide and Pronounced, but just goes to show you the great amount of change possible and how quickly it could change in just a year. But overall he Looks Much better. Just that his eye lids are just too squinty and stretched now.

Besides, what he was doing had some pretty extreme amount of force.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on June 22, 2016, 04:08:03 pm
Yeah, I'm not really advocating everything that guy talked about on the forum either. I don't believe its a good idea to pull with a high degree of force (like the usage of your body weight to exert a pulling force on the jaw). Ultimately, I don't even think this is about pulling the bones in the face, but more about stimulating the muscles that lead to better facial development, and pulling adds resistance to strengthen and break down the muscle fibers. Therefore, you shouldn't pull any more than is necessary to give your muscles a good stimulus.

However, as Monarch mentioned earlier in the posts, I now feel that chewing with the far back molars are the absolute most important aspect of good facial development. After doing these exercises for a little while now, I've come to the realization that the muscles associated with the chewing action of the back molars were very weak. I had made a habit to chew almost exclusively with my front (anterior) molars rather than the back (posterior) molars. Now, certain muscles on my mandible are starting to get stimulated and are starting to grow. My face is starting to widen, and I am reaching Johnny Depp levels of aesthetics. In short, I am slowly becoming a god.

I encourage you guys to try this at your own pace. Pay attention to your body, if the muscles are sore its a good thing, but if its super painful the next day then its a bad thing. Don't over exert yourself. 1-2x a week with about 5-7 short intervals of chewing/pulling is the way to go.

Its about health guys, aesthetics are nothing more than a pleasant side effect of all of this. My breathing and posture turned to **** after a round of orthodontics, and I'm just trying to fix what the orthodontists had wronged. I've been also thinking of the importance of my Jaw's range of motion and its importance towards optimal breathing. It seems to me that its important for one to have the ability to open their mouth WIDE so that the airways can be free and open.

Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: jamo716 on June 23, 2016, 05:33:41 pm
I checked out that link to that forum as well, that guy looks pretty strange, also the jist of the thread is that he won't post any photos of his face that match the position of his face in the original before photo, he keeps doing this weird pouty smile face that obviously excentuates his check bones, some people are even saying that he may have acromegaly which is a disorder of the pituitary gland that causes the bones of the body to grow larger than normal resulting in a bigger head ect. my own personal interest in these things is more from a general wellbeing viewpoint better flow of cerebrospinal fluid better posture better spinal health more balanced body clearer mind ect, I find all the cosmetic stuff kind of depressing, striving for that perfect face is a fools game in my opinion.


I'm actually in regular contact with this guy. He's video called me twice now, and I can confirm his changes are real. I've also been using his method for nearly four weeks now. Here is my after before: http://imgur.com/1spEw6I,5HEsoRp

Note: I have also been mewing for about five months now.

I'm still noticing changes everyday. Feelsgoodman.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: monarch on June 24, 2016, 05:55:28 pm
Do you have any photos of your face from the side? I think a good indicator of your maxilla moving is the tip of the nose pointing more up (seen from the side) and the mandible coming forward.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: QuantumLookMaxer on June 25, 2016, 08:39:59 pm

I'm actually in regular contact with this guy. He's video called me twice now, and I can confirm his changes are real. I've also been using his method for nearly four weeks now. Here is my after before: http://imgur.com/1spEw6I,5HEsoRp

Note: I have also been mewing for about five months now.

I'm still noticing changes everyday. Feelsgoodman.

Thanks for posting. Any insights you may have gained from your conversations with him? Not sure if your clenching in the selfie, but it definitely looks like your getting some results! Your well on your way to depp-like aesthetics, congratulations.

Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: jamo716 forgot to login on June 25, 2016, 09:40:03 pm

I'm actually in regular contact with this guy. He's video called me twice now, and I can confirm his changes are real. I've also been using his method for nearly four weeks now. Here is my after before: http://imgur.com/1spEw6I,5HEsoRp

Note: I have also been mewing for about five months now.

I'm still noticing changes everyday. Feelsgoodman.

Thanks for posting. Any insights you may have gained from your conversations with him? Not sure if your clenching in the selfie, but it definitely looks like your getting some results! Your well on your way to depp-like aesthetics, congratulations.

Most of the information you need is in the lookism thread. Him and I agree that using your knees is the most effective way to get the job done. I actually got a very large luggage strap which is much more durable than your average belt. Since it is so long, I can use my legs fully extended to apply pressure. I've been experimenting with two-stage pulling sessions. First I gently pull the maxilla forward. I apply virtually no upward force. Then I switch to pulling almost completely vertically. When you pull upward you can apply way more pressure than forward I have found. I find the gentle pulling forward loosens the maxilla (yes you can actually feel it) and then the upward motion compacts it along with the other structures it drags along. I've been slowing down the last few days because I have a really bad canker sore (1 inch long!) that is causing my entire mouth to hurt, but other than that, steady progress! Good lucks guys and if you want to get into contact with me I guess just leave a reply or PM me.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: nobody on June 26, 2016, 01:53:44 pm
I've ended up with a pretty similar technique, but for the warm up session I use a towel. Biting on a towel with all teeth and pulling forward feels much better and effective than pulling forward with just a belt and back molars. I believe it is also closer to the natural function of jaws, very similar to ripping meat / skin off a dead animal. But the belt is still a good tool for generating good amount of upwards force. It may be helpful to keep the ends of the belt quite apart from each other so that the pulling motion widens the palate towards the sides too, instead of pulling just upwards.

Thanks for the OP for this thread and those links. I've been mewing since January with barely noticeable results, but for the last week I've been facepulling with intense short bursts of force and I've been able to feel how my bite gets a little better every day. Today I noticed that I can now see the edges of my cheekbones with my eyes when I look to the sides. For the first time of my life too , since I was put on retractive orthodontics at a very young age. I wonder if an optimal maxilla position would enable one to see his chin too just by looking down.

As much as I hate to romanticizing things, I can't help thinking we truly are pioneers of something new (or old, depending on how you approach the dilemma of modern recessive faces). It looks like the science of facial aesthetics is just on the verge of making a breakthrough on the internet. People in many online communities are beginning to get results, I hope in a few years of time there will be plenty of progress pictures to make facepulling look more legit. Considering how outlandish this method is inevitably going to seem to the average person, well documented evidence is certainly needed. I will definitely post my before/afters if the changes end up being remarkable enough.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: W on June 27, 2016, 06:09:17 am
Hi,
I'm new to face pulling.  I started a few days ago to try and improve my receded face after extraction orthodontics as a teen (and my face was pretty bad before then! :-[). I've been biting down on a doubled-up ribbon, rather than a belt, so that I could keep the teeth in contact. 

Initially, I felt aches in the back of my neck.  But now I get random aches in my forehead, especially where I have a few dents which I got from one or two knocks, as a child.  No pressure feelings in my cheekbones yet, so I'm wondering if I'm doing it right?...Not sure if you pull vertically with your arms up by the sides of your ears, or upwards but diagonally? 

Also, I think this has caused some facial lengthening, somehow....I've always had a tiny bit of sclera showing under my left iris, but now I'm getting a bit under my right, as well.   Please, can anyone tell me what might be going on??

Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 27, 2016, 08:32:59 am
Hi,
I'm new to face pulling.  I started a few days ago to try and improve my receded face after extraction orthodontics as a teen (and my face was pretty bad before then! :-[). I've been biting down on a doubled-up ribbon, rather than a belt, so that I could keep the teeth in contact. 

Initially, I felt aches in the back of my neck.  But now I get random aches in my forehead, especially where I have a few dents which I got from one or two knocks, as a child.  No pressure feelings in my cheekbones yet, so I'm wondering if I'm doing it right?...Not sure if you pull vertically with your arms up by the sides of your ears, or upwards but diagonally? 

Also, I think this has caused some facial lengthening, somehow....I've always had a tiny bit of sclera showing under my left iris, but now I'm getting a bit under my right, as well.   Please, can anyone tell me what might be going on??


I dont know what to tell you, maybe youre mouth breathing.

Just keep on doing it and mew, make sure your mouth is closed while you are sleeping, doung this loosens the bones.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: jamo716 on June 27, 2016, 10:12:38 am
Since you started a few days ago your bones and sutures may be so loose that you're experiencing temporary enlivenment (?) In the long term, proper oral posture + pulling should only shorten the face. Also, yes, generally you want to pull upward and forwards to get the best result. If you have a longer face, focus on the vertical force.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: W on June 27, 2016, 12:04:16 pm
Thanks for your replies.   Much appreciated!

Gucci- I've been mewing for a year with some slight improvement..But, there's still not enough room for my whole tongue to go flat against the palate, on both sides.  My local orthodontist only offers removable appliances to children, according to their website.  But, they offer Damon or Invisalign to adults, so I may try whichever one can widen my dental arches.  You're right- I should also tape my mouth shut before I sleep!

Jamo- I hope you're right and it's just my face adjusting! The sclera doesn't always show under my right iris. So it could be my posture, that's off.  The sclera always shows a little bit under my left iris, though.  My whole face is asymmetrical, really.  Want to continue face pulling...Hope I start to feel pressure in my cheekbones, soon.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: jamo716 on June 27, 2016, 12:44:34 pm
Good luck buddy! Remember not to hurt yourself. Listen to your body, not how much time you think you need to be pulling.
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: Gucci Gang on June 27, 2016, 06:54:06 pm
just keep on going, keep mewing hard and smiling hard with proper head posture throughout the day, chew hard foods and chewing gum and do Jaw exercises to build muscle tone and strength to keep your mouth closed while you sleep, And keep doing the ordinary face pulling and belt face pulling and you should have enough space for your tounge in no time,
And thats when you'll really shine and your results will skyrocket
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: W on June 28, 2016, 01:21:31 am
Thank you both!  Feeling more positive already :)
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: nobody on June 28, 2016, 07:12:30 am
@W

It could also be that your scleras are showing more simply because your body posture has gotten better, but your maxilla hasn't.


(http://i.imgur.com/b36cn5L.png)


With poor head forwards posture, the head is often rotated slightly upwards in order to compensate the recessed maxilla. But when the whole head is held in an angle in order to artificially move maxilla to a more optimal position, it inevitably results in the upper half of your face being tilted upwards, causing your irises to stay closer to the bottom eye lid when looking towards the horizon. This helps the bottom eyelids to hide the scleras, although not in a good way biologically.


People with good maxillary positions can set their heads directly towards the horizon line (with chin tucked in) and have no scleras show, because their bone structure gives enough support for the eyelids. Even though in reality their forehead and eyes are angled more downwards than those of someone who is compensating for maxilla. Good faces are almost convex-like whereas recessive faces are concaves (or the other way around, however it goes).

Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: W on June 28, 2016, 11:50:12 am
@nobody.  Thank you for your reply and diagram.


I get what you're saying...Over the past year, I think my back posture has become a bit straighter because I've been 'barefoot' exercising and wearing shoes, less.  This has resulted in strengthened ankles and straighter/more spaced out toes. (I believe Dr. Mew is currently doing research on the form /function of the feet, and body/oral posture, so that will be interesting...) Now, if I stand up straight and look straight ahead in the mirror, the sclera does show a tiny bit.

I think you're right that my posture is changing, but my maxilla hasn't swung upwards/forwards yet.. (Actually, the sclera probably isn't as bad as I imagine...It's not really noticeable unless looking close up. It also seems to go through periods of improving and regressing, which is things adjusting, perhaps)  Come to think of it, I've always had a 'tilted upwards' head and I guess my features just adapted to that, even though it wasn't optimal...

However, my side cheekbones came out a bit since I've been mewing.  However, I have a tongue-between-teeth thing happening on the right side of my dental arch, so I doubt my maxilla can properly go up/forwards, until that's sorted.  Can't for the life of me expand it with my tongue though.




Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: sophiea13 on July 10, 2016, 12:10:33 pm
HI everyone!

I just wanted to say that I appreciate the effort you are putting into finding out the best way to facepull and putting up informational links like the one for face pulling with a belt!

I am with you on that journey.

Regards and keep up the good research :)
Title: Re: Chewing with Incisors
Post by: magixx on December 09, 2017, 11:21:33 am
can someone explain how the belt face pulling is done ? all the threads regarding the procedure are deleted ...
and btw any updates ? especially from jamo716 ? mayb some side b side comparison ?