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Posted by: verification11
« on: April 18, 2015, 09:21:41 pm »

I think i might know whats the deal here.


I reckon its either

A) tongue thrust
B) improper tongue posture, and you don't keep ur lips sealed  (tongue should be roof of mouth most of the time), (lips should  be sealed or just millimeters open during all time except for talking and eating) 
C) upper lip tie (check for lower lip if u had one and release both)
D) tounge tie
E) wrong uses of facial muscles and tongue  (you need myfunctional thearpy to re-train)


http://www.mobimotherhood.org/tongue-and-lip-ties.html

even if the tie is very minor, release them, heads up if u had them, after the surgery u shouldnt see a tie at all, if u had the surgery and the Doctor used stitches the wrong way it may tie again and u might need to do it 2 times, surgery takes roughly 30min.



http://claimingpower.com/tongueposturefacechanges/ 



u should learn whats the correct tongue posture and how to swallow, and chew on hard food or gum since u have braces, and keep ur mouth sealed all the time, this will get rid of ur open bite and will keep face pulling results intact.



 (check DR john mew and his son for further info) 


hope i helped.

side note: im surprised nobody here talks about tounge posture and keeping lips sealed, or lip and tounge ties? , o reven chewing on very hard food or gum which is known to improve symmetry and encourage proper swallowing thus upward and forward pressure on he maxilla. Maybe everybody keeps this knowledge  to themselves? or its common sense for ppl here, i dont know.


http://claimingpower.com/how-to-make-long-face-shorter-without-surgery-using-facial-muscles/
Posted by: Ben
« on: February 05, 2014, 05:13:26 pm »

Quote from: Connor on January 28, 2014, 09:16:55 am
I've never had extractions I still have my wisdom teeth and everything thank god I told my dentist don't take them out which she wanted to for no reason what so ever. I mean who the hell decided that wisdom teeth should be taken out for the hell of it? She had absolutely no reason to want to take them out. Dumbass dentists I swear.

Anyway besides my rant, I do think I might be pulling to hard because the last several sessions have left my face feeling awkward and aches. its just hard to find the right pulling force and stay there because the rubber bands are always moving and I cant seem to stop them. Its all very frustrating....very frustrating.

Another thing I've noted down in my notebook is that my teeth grinding at night has actually increased noticeably. I've been waking up with my jaw clenched and slightly grinding still and it really is a horrible feeling. This just recently started happening according to my girlfriend and my own observations.
So I will be pulling with MUCH less force even though it feels like I've already reduced the force considerably.

 On a side note as well I've been getting ABC chiropractic...although it feels like its helped some, my posture (even though not bad) has not visually improved although he says it has. I really hope he knows what he's doing. Every Practioner is different...

This January man....I swear there is something weird in the air. Not good things not good things. haha

My little bro had is wisdom teeth coming through, and he was getting pain and his 1st bicuspids where getting skewed out of place. But because my brother is a man of limited means he couldn't see a dentist. So he just dealt with it, now a year or so has gone past all four of his wisdom teeth have come through and everything has stabilised. I'm sure if he had gone to see a dentist he would of had them pulled.
Posted by: bstratt25
« on: February 05, 2014, 10:58:06 am »

I'll get around to it this year definitely, but yeah my palate is expanded. I can take some photos to show people. Unfortunately I don't have any before pictures...
Posted by: Complexx
« on: February 04, 2014, 11:12:58 am »

Ben, have you expanded your palate? It looks like you should DEF. go for fave pulling! I think it'll make things perfect for you man. That's like literally your last step IMO.
Posted by: Connor
« on: January 29, 2014, 02:50:07 pm »

(@ bstratt)and just by looking at your pictures Ben it doesn't look like you need it all that much! NCR seems to have done you wonders just by its lonesome :). No need in doing more than necessary but this is just my observation ya know?
Posted by: bstratt25
« on: January 28, 2014, 07:16:56 pm »

Wow, so much difficulty with face pulling.

I wish I knew more about it and could help but I simply haven't done it myself. :|
Posted by: Connor
« on: January 28, 2014, 09:16:55 am »

I've never had extractions I still have my wisdom teeth and everything thank god I told my dentist don't take them out which she wanted to for no reason what so ever. I mean who the hell decided that wisdom teeth should be taken out for the hell of it? She had absolutely no reason to want to take them out. Dumbass dentists I swear.

Anyway besides my rant, I do think I might be pulling to hard because the last several sessions have left my face feeling awkward and aches. its just hard to find the right pulling force and stay there because the rubber bands are always moving and I cant seem to stop them. Its all very frustrating....very frustrating.

Another thing I've noted down in my notebook is that my teeth grinding at night has actually increased noticeably. I've been waking up with my jaw clenched and slightly grinding still and it really is a horrible feeling. This just recently started happening according to my girlfriend and my own observations.
So I will be pulling with MUCH less force even though it feels like I've already reduced the force considerably.

 On a side note as well I've been getting ABC chiropractic...although it feels like its helped some, my posture (even though not bad) has not visually improved although he says it has. I really hope he knows what he's doing. Every Practioner is different...

This January man....I swear there is something weird in the air. Not good things not good things. haha
Posted by: Gaia
« on: January 28, 2014, 08:46:11 am »

Complexx, please read people's posts before making assumptions. I'm seeing lots of results from the palate expander, however not from the face pulling with that same expander. The topic of the post is mainly face pulling, correct?

Let's just make sure we're on the same page here. There's transverse expansion and sagittal. Most Schwarz appliances are transverse/lateral, as is mine. Face pulling is dealing with sagittal expansion.

I actually don't think DNA and Schwarz are all that different! (Aside from the sagittal screw which can be added to a Schwarz.) This is just an opinion however, but I believe what this doctor is saying:
http://dangblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/skeptical-inquiry-epigenetic-orthodontics-part-2/

Quote
It was nice to see a picture of this DNA appliance. What you have recieved on the upper is nothing more than a standard upper active plate with a “triple screw” and a bunch of Rube Goldbergess finger springs to push your front teeth forward. [...] I am currently looking at a picture of this appliance in a book published in 1966 and written by a dentist named Schwarz. Your upper appliance is a combination of a Schwarz plate and a Sagittal Plate. Similar constructs were being used in the 1800′s.

I don't agree with the other things he's claiming.
But we might want to be open to the idea that the thing that differs the most is the protocol (Schwarz - wear all the time, DNA - wear at night).

Anyway, that's a bit OT. 

Posted by: Complexx
« on: January 27, 2014, 11:14:13 pm »

If you have a narrow dental arch you are not going to get the results you want.

Gala: You said you were seeing results and have expanded 1mm per month, 4.5mm in total. Now you say you're not seeing any results? Please make up your mind.

PS: Schwarz appliance is NOT the same as DNA appliance =] Very different.
Posted by: Gaia
« on: January 27, 2014, 10:33:34 am »

Plato is talking about an open bite being a possible side effect of face pulling on his website. I've also heard that when Dr. Hang tries to reopen spaces to reverse extraction orthodontics, a lot of the adults will get a slight open bite. I think it's just something we have to be careful of when trying to expand the maxilla forward after we're fully grown.

By the way, that's very interesting that you didn't notice that much of an effect when you were pulling with a retainer. This might be why I'm not seeing results with my removable expander.
Posted by: FebruaryRichard
« on: January 27, 2014, 07:42:57 am »

Hello Connor, did you have extraction orthodontics before? I'd also like to know if you've had your palate expanded. The open bite thing is very interesting. Please keep us updated.
Posted by: Connor
« on: January 26, 2014, 01:05:55 pm »

Hey everyone I was wondering if anyone who has been doing facepulling, has been noticing an increase in an open bite. For whatever reason may it be the facepulling or damon braces fault as well...my open bite has increased while still, my results have been good and very noticeable with before and afters and let me tell you I was facepulling for a good long 7 months with a custom hooked retainer and its wasn't until I got braces I saw any changes or results haha. So if any of you are having issues with results with just a retainer, the braces thing really worked for me. Anyway let me know if any of you have any ideas or similar experiences. My ortho still has no idea im facepulling which is the reason I got braces a second time but he is now trying to run elastics to "close my bite". I do not know if I trust this.

Thank you all :)

-Connor