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Posted by: Ben
« on: February 16, 2014, 03:45:16 am »

I think that's awesome you're tackling everything at once. It's the only way to go.

What sort of jaw surgery was it? Can you go into detail?

 
I had a le forte one  3 piece segmented osteotomy which included braces (2 years) and wisdom tooth extractions x4 because of course we don't need them.
Posted by: bstratt25
« on: February 14, 2014, 12:33:14 pm »

I think that's awesome you're tackling everything at once. It's the only way to go.

What sort of jaw surgery was it? Can you go into detail?
Posted by: Ben
« on: February 13, 2014, 02:31:45 pm »

Yes Ben.S my choice of several key words was poor :'( I'm going to try to be more careful with what I'm writing below, I'd like to think I'm a kind person and I don't want to ruin any bodies day. I ruined mine yesterday and spent the afternoon walking around the park trying to centre myself as I grappled with my sense of reality.

I've only been doing self NCR for a very short time. I haven't done a treatment for a while now because I've been enjoying my clear nasal breathing and have wanted to see if it will carry through into the colder months without doing anything that may cause a change. I should know by April if I've had a positive change for good, in this area.

I'm so early into this, and I'm doing a lot of things differently in my life. I've had jaw surgery this year (didn't go well). I've been on a  completely grain free diet for the last 3 months (ish). I've been working out. I've been practising good oral posture. I've been getting a lot of sunshine. Eating my meat quite rare.  chewing tougher foods. Face pulling. fighting with everything I have to maintain nasal breathing which hasn't been a challenge over the last month (could be due to self NCR) but normally is. The point is I've made a ton of changes which may or may not have effects. I'm not knocking NCR at all I'm very early into my experimentation with it.

I'm certainly not attacking NCR here, I'm such a newbie and so early on in treatment  so there probably isn't much point in even saying this but I will anyway. I haven't noticed an improvement in my occlusion yet, not saying I won't or don't hope to in the future. I have a lot of tension in my jaw joints and temple area to maintain a bite, and as Dr Mew has stated form = function over time so I have a lot of work to do before a nice natural oral posture becomes possible. Hopefully if I maintain it day in day out then soon enough during sleep it will occur naturally and I'll really be on a path to improvement.

I have many photos but there are a lot of variables in them and they are not of great quality since I've just been taking them with my web cam at all hours with variable light sources. However I do have orthodontic records. Photos which were taken before I'd started any NCR or serious face pulling grain free diets and workouts and so on. The photos were taken about 3 months after I'd had jaw surgery. Maxillary advancement advanced only less than 2mm and probably destroying the structure of the palate and maxilla, hopefully it can repair. Anyway I'll have a look at them and post them.
Posted by: Matt91
« on: February 13, 2014, 09:15:21 am »

Okey Mate, hope that everything goes better than expected for you. Are you doing self-treatment or you will have to done by practitioners ?

I'm having it done by a certified and practiced NCR person.

I'm only two days into my first series, but I've already noticed some improvements, albeit not drastic, obviously. Posture-wise, some slightly improved facial symmetry as well (ears, eyes), slightly fuller cheekbones and wider head, et cetera. Even my hearing was slightly better.

The right side of my noggin was/is much tighter/locked-up and thus, scarier to have done, than the left. I was panicking a tad towards the end of each inflation attempt on that side, and it took multiple inflation attempts to achieve the result, whereas the left nostril was a breeze; straight through. My hearing was altered during the right side inflation... like being underwater or something. A bit disconcerting to experience, in the moment, though I have full faith in Ian and the therapy.

It takes a little courage at first.

It isn't necessarily painful per se, but certainly not 'comfortable' by any means, either. It varies in intensity according to your current state. I don't know how people manage a proper inflation on their lonesome.

I'm not sure I'm doing well in the nutritional sense... it has been a bit makeshift in that department since I left, due to circumstances.

Ian is taking pictures, so I'm sure he'll upload them when we're done.

EDIT: Now completed, and back at home. Feeling a fair bit of movement up there, that I didn't notice earlier on the train and through London Underground.

There were definite structural changes. Alas, I think that my main issue will take some real commitment and many NCR series to resolve.
Posted by: bstratt25
« on: February 13, 2014, 08:01:25 am »

Ben it's simple really, when I make a conscious effort in every way to for example avoid marketing tactics and someone comes along and writes this: "I got the same feeling as you though mate, in that there seems to be undertones of something shady going on here lots of suggestive material and almost a marketing feel to it from Ben.S and Messiah but you know they are not getting any money from me directly so I'm just happy to see how it all plays out."

How am I supposed to interpret this? these are the accusations: 1) shady undertones 2) suggestive material 3) marketing feel to something that shouldn't be marketed 4) no money given from you directly, as if that's a great accomplishment/decision and everyone else wasting $$$ on us 5) happy to see it play out - which could be interpreted in about 3 different ways, one of them being that you're the passive observer waiting to observe a PR/marketing disaster.

So, sorry to flame/jump the gun but that's just one sentence in what you wrote. Now you can understand why it pissed me off

Did you take before photos ?

Why don't you take after photos from the same angle, because it is very common for people not to notice changes in the mirror as they happen so gradually. And if there are no improvements you'll know for sure.
Posted by: Ben
« on: February 12, 2014, 10:08:07 pm »

Ben.S you know nothing about me and your making some huge assumptions. Jesus I just spoke my mind, saying I got a little bit of that kind of feeling so what? Someone else had that feeling too. Then in my own words I stated that I'd had some kind of results (positive to me but obviously didn't read like that)  and then said that having read some things you'd written and followed you a little on the internet that I thought you were the 'real deal' just to offer someone else some reassurance. This is why I hate writing comments on forums because people jump the gun, I will be more careful in future.
Posted by: Ben
« on: February 12, 2014, 09:53:08 pm »

Ben why are you reacting so badly. I think you've misunderstood what I was trying to say. I'm very early on in my self NCR treatments so that is why all I could say for sure is that my skull got crunchy. That to me was a positive thing, maybe I should have made it more clear. It showed me that something was happening it wasn't painful or scary it was interesting to have this kind of thing happen early on.
So man I'm not attacking anyone and I'm sorry you seem to think it as that. Perhaps you and I just have a personality clash or something. Oh and in the last sentence I'm backing you up. I loved reading the youtube comment you made, it was very well written and a great response. Peace
Posted by: bstratt25
« on: February 12, 2014, 08:25:20 pm »

Other Ben: how do I even begin to dismantle this clusterf*ck of inane, insulting accusations? I think the reason your comment p*sses me off so much is because it turns reality completely upside down, it's the exact opposite of what's true.

I do sympathize with you though. If I could solve the mystery about why some of us get great results, some progress slowly and others get none I would. It's a work in progress.

You want to know how much money I get from writing all those articles on my website and helping people through phone/skype on a regular basis? About $150-200 a month. Those are slave wages by the way - below minimum wage. People who get great results don't compensate me because there's no pressure to do so, and because they do most of the work, I just point them in the direction. Just like there's no pressure to post photos so people don't. People are selfish because I don't have a personal relationship with them - it's the Internet. Remember the guy who sent me those profile photos everyone thinks are amazing? He only sent them because he wanted my feedback about whether the changes are even there. He thought he was making it up. Since then the guy hasn't even replied to his email (I asked for updates).

Another guy was skyping me just the other day talking about how much his life has changed since doing this (it's been over a year for him). He was talking about how girls who used to dismiss him are paying attention to him now, how he looks like a whole new person -- even his family and friends have noticed. How he has none of the breathing problems, headaches and neck issues that plagued his life every day. I asked him multiple times to post photos and eventually he might but that's his business. 

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But.. I got the same feeling as you though mate, in that there seems to be undertones of something shady going on here lots of suggestive material and almost a marketing feel to it from Ben.S and Messiah but you know they are not getting any money from me directly so I'm just happy to see how it all plays out.

If it wasn't already obvious, it should now be that I'm not doing this for money--and whatever Messiah earns from referrals is chump change (if it's anything at all).  She probably comes across as marketing because she's used to running a few websites and sells supplements/alt medicine stuff through it, she puts affiliate marketing banners in her email tags and had one on this forum for several months until I recently decided to delete it due to several complaints.

 Years ago I was naive and hoped everyone would improve the way I did because some of the guys I helped early on were getting the same results as me, so I posted a few comments on youtube (3 or 4) and a few on alternative forums. One of the first people I helped goes by CP I think? He has a blog.. forgot the url, something about reclaimingpower. That guy has visited this forum on many occasions and yet he hasn't posted photos either. Honestly I thought this could change the world or at least a good segment of it. It was that comment you're reacting to, when I was so optimistic and hopeful about everyone getting the same results as me.

People like you, who do this and don't see any benefit make me seriously consider removing my article and website. In fact after two people had bad/no results (one of them posted on this forum), I actually refused to help people for a few months but it was the fact that there are so many more good results than bad results that prompted me to keep helping and refining the article.

If my goal was marketing, I wouldn't do it this way. This might be one of the worst marketing campaigns in human history. Hell this forum doesn't even link to my website anymore. My only goal is to be plain and honest with people and to help those people who want to help themselves. If you're not getting help here, by all means help yourself out.
Posted by: Ben
« on: February 12, 2014, 03:16:01 pm »

I read a comment that Ben.S wrote on a youtube video awhile back, I can't remember what video or what he wrote exactly but man it struck a chord with me.
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Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?

It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the original testimonial.

On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.

The only two people who have posted pics are you and Messiah. I dont know how can you earn a referral from posting your pictures on the various forums, like zillion times per forum. And not to mention the very very same pictures. That being said, Messiah please dont do that its not needed and as i said it starts looking more like advertising campaign rather than sharing with the community. If this is advertising or you had verbal agreement with the NCR docs, then stop doing and tell em that for medical and health procedures no advertising is needed, simply because they should be judged by the results of the people (which nobody shares)

I dont know why people are not posting more before and afters. There are many users active quite a lot here and still nothing except superlative words about how "awesome" are the procedures. Which I dont deny at this point, but its just really weird, slightly selfish, starts looking a bit fake and counter-productive for the development of the people here
this was what i wanted to express

I'd gladly put up photos, I don't care who sees me. I'd put a picture full frontal **** with full shrinkage and show it to the whole world and not care. The thing that has stopped me from putting up pictures so far is simply that I have not yet seen results which would show up in a photo, hell I'm not even sure I've had results. I'm just glad to be trying something that gives me hope for improvement.  I do know this for sure I noticed that my skull got really crunchy after doing a series of self NCR.
But.. I got the same feeling as you though mate, in that there seems to be undertones of something shady going on here lots of suggestive material and almost a marketing feel to it from Ben.S and Messiah but you know they are not getting any money from me directly so I'm just happy to see how it all plays out. I'll leave you with this though.. awhile back I did some internet stalking and while doing so I read a comment that Ben.S ( not me I need to change my user name to save confusion) wrote on a youtube video and I was like dam this guy is the real deal.
Posted by: Complexx
« on: February 12, 2014, 12:37:25 pm »

@Paff WHAT are you talking about?

1) There AREN'T many active people on this forum. Actually, thus forum JUST started to pick up with newer people like a month or 2 ago.

2) You obviously haven't seen Tyler or Racheal (hope I got her name right) and their pictures.

3) There are before and after photos of Iam Hedley on this forum as well as on Platos site.

4) If you go to Plato's website you will find before and after pictures of him as well.... He even has profile shots if his X Ray pictures.

Please don't go on a rant if you've barely done any research. I understand your frustration but come on man, that first comment was quite ridiculous.
Posted by: bstratt25
« on: February 11, 2014, 11:00:14 pm »

Yeah Paffalot, well I completely understand your perspective and mostly agree.

Wish I had could come up with a better solution than harassing people for photos.
Posted by: paffalot
« on: February 11, 2014, 03:26:50 pm »

Okey Mate, hope that everything goes better than expected for you. Are you doing self-treatment or you will have to done by practitioners ?
Posted by: Matt91
« on: February 11, 2014, 11:17:54 am »

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Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?

It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the original testimonial.

On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.

The only two people who have posted pics are you and Messiah. I dont know how can you earn a referral from posting your pictures on the various forums, like zillion times per forum. And not to mention the very very same pictures. That being said, Messiah please dont do that its not needed and as i said it starts looking more like advertising campaign rather than sharing with the community. If this is advertising or you had verbal agreement with the NCR docs, then stop doing and tell em that for medical and health procedures no advertising is needed, simply because they should be judged by the results of the people (which nobody shares)

I dont know why people are not posting more before and afters. There are many users active quite a lot here and still nothing except superlative words about how "awesome" are the procedures. Which I dont deny at this point, but its just really weird, slightly selfish, starts looking a bit fake and counter-productive for the development of the people here
this was what i wanted to express

Paffalot, I begin my treatment tomorrow. I have had absolutely no engagement with NCR nor it's proponents, prior to my posts here.

I'll let you know how it goes, and post the pics, if possible.
Posted by: paffalot
« on: February 11, 2014, 05:34:54 am »

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Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?

It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the original testimonial.

On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.

The only two people who have posted pics are you and Messiah. I dont know how can you earn a referral from posting your pictures on the various forums, like zillion times per forum. And not to mention the very very same pictures. That being said, Messiah please dont do that its not needed and as i said it starts looking more like advertising campaign rather than sharing with the community. If this is advertising or you had verbal agreement with the NCR docs, then stop doing and tell em that for medical and health procedures no advertising is needed, simply because they should be judged by the results of the people (which nobody shares)

I dont know why people are not posting more before and afters. There are many users active quite a lot here and still nothing except superlative words about how "awesome" are the procedures. Which I dont deny at this point, but its just really weird, slightly selfish, starts looking a bit fake and counter-productive for the development of the people here
this was what i wanted to express
Posted by: bstratt25
« on: February 10, 2014, 01:12:54 pm »

From my perspective studying it, I don't think face pulling is any more likely than NCR/endonasal inflations to bring the mandible forward. If it comes forward it should be because the temporozygomatic arch (maybe the entire zygomatic process) shifts laterally and that's just as likely to happen from NCR/inflations as face pulling. Look at this picture
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Temporomandibular+Joint+Anatomy&Form=IQFRDR#view=detail&id=7E2B760650D3515F2EC2E574C05F8B5A67BF7417&selectedIndex=167

The condyle/round part where the mandible connects into a socket in the back - there's a disc/connective tissue in there and ligaments holding connecting that part of the mandible to the temporozygomatic arch.. If the zygomatic arch moves out laterally the ligaments "loosen" or extend slightly over time and that's what could pull the mandible slightly forward. It's prob a little bit more complicated and I could be wrong it's just the only thing that makes sense to me.

You can see better on this photo, the stylomandibular ligament
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Temporomandibular+Joint+Anatomy&Form=IQFRDR#view=detail&id=168C0E875CAA7DB038B87486E1F8EC0BC91CB253&selectedIndex=141