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Posted by: Arka
« on: October 08, 2015, 08:27:58 am »

Also I knew Amir, nice guy visited my surgery to see what we were doing but played his cards very close to his chest and I was never very sure of his actual beliefs, which is always a shame. Does anyone know where he has gone to?
M

I've had several patients come to me saying that he is no longer practicing, he would certainly owe them a call if he still is, but he's not responded to anything.

I feel this needs to be clarified, as it could stop people who need help from getting in touch with Dr Amir, based on false premises. I know it delayed my contacting him, to the detriment of my health.

You are confusing the Dr Amir in Putney London, who is in practice and getting terrific results, with somebody else.

I asked Dr Amir about the posts on this forum - he is aware of them, and says he has asked you to take them down, or to clarify them, as they are misleading, but you haven't done so.

He also confirms that he has never met you before in his life, so you are certainly mistaking him for someone else.

I hope this clears things up.
Posted by: yellah
« on: June 15, 2014, 03:36:09 am »

Does anyone here use Dr. Belfor's Orthoblock and Nu Smile Facelift? I think they have the same results with the homeoblock since they have the same inventor. I was searching for NCR and biobloc but there is none is my area. However, i knew a dentist who sells orthoblock and wanted to try it. Anyone with reviews about it? 

Also, i read about a blog that about a guy named David who was very successful in improving facial aesthetics using braces and elastics. Elastics are attached to lower braces and upper braces to pull the maxilla forward. Sounds interesting.




Posted by: NCRintheUK
« on: February 24, 2014, 05:40:48 am »

FebruaryRichard,

Thanks, I am only too happy to share.

My brain fog is much improved, I can drive without difficulty now and I found studying in preparation for dental school much easier. It hasn't gone completely but it is vastly improved.

Before NCR and facepulling I was 6'2.5", now I am 6'3.5"! A full inch taller as my spine has straightened and my scoliosis has improved.

Ian
Posted by: NCRintheUK
« on: February 20, 2014, 12:16:35 pm »

Dear all,

Following my meetings with Dr Mike Mew I would like to let everyone know that there will be a 4 day NCR series available with me at Dr Mew's clinic in Purley, London once a month. The first one will be April 11-14.

We are both very excited about the potential of patients having NCR, orthotropics and using some form of reverse pull headgear simultaneously all with the aim of improving facial aesthetics, orthodontic health and general health and well being. This truly is an exciting time for all involved.

Please email me for appointment times or with any queries.

ianhedley1@hotmail.co.uk

Regards,

Ian Hedley
Posted by: FebruaryRichard
« on: February 14, 2014, 03:58:09 pm »

Thank you Ian for sharing that wonderful story. May I ask how your scoliosis and brain fog are doing now? Have you had any x-rays post treatment?

Richard
Posted by: Knoppe
« on: February 14, 2014, 05:37:12 am »

This is excellent! I would expect these news to be recieved with a bit more excitement!
If I hadn't all ready started treatment I would've loved to participate. I hope it works out well. This is exactly what the world needs. I'll spread the word!

/Andreas
Posted by: Mike Mew
« on: February 13, 2014, 12:54:51 am »

Dear All,

Please excuse my absence. Problems logging on. Now sorted. Thank you all for you advice and comments. In the mean time I've met up with Ian Hedley, whom I found very informative and easy to work with, so we are sure to build a relationship and see how NCR and Orthotropics can be combined. We are both still wondering about the effect of wear times but since some people are struggling to wear the head gear that I've designed for much time we are naturally selecting people into groups. I'm a little amazed that people come all this way with such problems and then don't commit them selves, almost as if they want us to do the work for them. It makes me understand why every one want the magic pill that cures things.

There have been some excellent comments in this discussion.

CP you were privileged to be treated by Dr Gibbs, he is one of the best that I know. Sometimes the best people do not come with a neon sign above them showing you how good they are. You description is excellent, as is your grasp of what is going on (in my opinion). Complex you are spot on with tongue posture. This is the natural face puller. I often say to people that if I could plug into their cerebellum in the same way that people plug expensive cars into computer systems and override the factory settings to make the more efficient or less so and faster, then I would not need nothing else. It's like in the Matrix (very appropriate for this site). The problem is that if your palate is small and set down it is uncomfortable to do this and we are creatures of comfort, so just don't do it. We need help and most of us cannot be bothered we really just want that magic pill.

There is an old saying in orthodontics that function follows form (and the reverse). Actually posture is more important, since pushing your tongue for 5 min will do nothing, pushing for 4-8hrs will change your life. Posture is function over time. If we can change the form and make it easier to change function then we can change the posture. There is certainly more to it that changing tongue position but this seems to be the most important, possibly followed by head posture.

I will keep you posted on developments here, and we are now recruiting subject to try what we are learning together. Our clinic will be Monday or Tuesday am in Purley Surrey. Only the very motivate need apply.

For those of you that are to far away please find out more information for me. I've started a discussion with Sally Fallon from the Weston A Price Foundation to see what she has to say. If your've seen the ancestral health lecture you will be aware that I'm not convinced with WAPFs conclusion but we all need to remain open minded. I still have to talk to Karl Nishimura and I am happy to talk suggestions from anyone here.

Best wishes,

Mike
Posted by: NCRintheUK
« on: February 05, 2014, 05:47:30 am »

Here are my before photos.

Before extraction retraction ortho at 14, after and again after extensive NCR and face pulling with the FaceMAX


regards,

Ian Hedley
Posted by: NCRintheUK
« on: February 05, 2014, 05:39:31 am »

Hi all,

Thanks Mike for starting this discussion group, wanted to share my story and throw my hat into the debating ring.

So here goes......

At 14 years old, I was a happy, energetic, intelligent, athletic teenager growing up in the north west of England with a great family and no health probelms whatsoever. I have included a photo as an attachment (431.jpg). Notice the colour in my cheeks, support for my eyes from my cheekbones, facial symmetry, happy smile, broad nose and general healthy appearance. I know my cranio facial structure wasn't perfect but I was by no means an ugly teenager with a severe dental malocclusion or severely crowded teeth.

I was refered to my local orthodontist because I had very minor overcrowding, an almost ubiquitous problem in modern humans due to soft foods that require little or no mastication, over processed diets devoid of vital nutrition and poor oral posture, particuarly of the tongue and mouth breathing. My upper lateral incisors slightly overlapped my centrals and my lower lateral incisors slightly overlapped my lower cannines. Not a terrible mess. I wasn't particuarly bothered by it and didn't really want the treatment my ortho prescibed. He however was very insistant and persuasive with my mother and convinced her and me that the best thing to do would be to extract 4 bicuspids, 2 upper and 2 lower, close the space with brackets and archwires, straigtening my anterior teeth and ensuring that I would have adequate space for my wisdoms. I fell for his bullshit conventional orthodontic treatment model and I can say with certainty that it was the single biggest mistake I have ever made! It pretty much ruined my health and made my life a living nightmare.

I completed his "treatment", I am reluctant to call it a treatment because by definition something that causes more problems than in solves is not a treatment, including retention in 18 months. I was a model patient, I kept all my appliances clean and functional, I attended every appointment and did everything I was asked to do, I made his life really easily, he made mine very hard.

I was left at 16 years old with 6 straight upper and lower anterior teeth and room for my wisdoms like he promised but also an orthodontically rotated maxilla to the right of the midline, an anterior open bite of 3 mm which wasn't present before, a jammed, twisted cranium, inadequate support for my eyes, a flat dished in appearance, a retruded chin and weak profile, head pressure, neck pain at C3 because the twist in my skull torqued my dural membrane which passes out of the foramen magnum in the occipital bone and attcahes at C3, spinal scoliosis, pain in my right sacro illiac joint because my sacrum was torqued, low back pain as my lumbar vertebrae became jammed, chronic fatigue, chronic brain imflammation and brain fog and all included in the costs of my ortho work!!!!!

To cut a long story short, life became incredible difficult as I was plunged into poor health by incredible bad extraction retraction orthodontics which was merely treating the symptoms and not the cause of my problems and is the completely wrong approach. I struggled through my remaining school years, dropped of of law school due to health problems, had to quit jobs, give up sports and move back home with parents. Not fun at all.

At this point I began my own research, started joining the dots and came to the conclusion that poor ortho and subsequent poor structure was behind my issues and set about correcteing them. This became my full time job and my lifes purpose.

My first point of call was Dr Amir in London. He agreed my problem was dental and through removeable appliances, mandibular repositioning devices and teaching me how to breath correctly and swallow properly without thrusting my tongue opened up about half a tooth space where mine were extracted, brought my chin forward about 3/4" and widened my arches. My health improved over the course of 3 years but I was still fatigued, in pain and fogged in.

At this point I discovered Dr Dean Howell and NCR and flew to NYC for treatment. He agreed with me and Amir and set about releasing my jammed skull and optimising my structure using NCR endonasal balloons. I have had over 50 series (200 inflations) with Dean. I was also the first patient in the world, "patient zero" as Plato likes to refer to me as to use the FaceMAX face pulling device to augment NCR and bring my maxilla and mid face forward. I know there is a lot of debate about this issue but in my experience the combination of NCR to release cranial sutures and free up the skull combined with pulling gently in an upward direction on the maxilla without anchoring the device against the face or head for less than 30 mins per day will bring the cheekbones out, the mid face forward, the maxilla up and forward allowing the mandible to swing forward as the temporal bones rotate posteriorly and inferiorly. If you pull too hard, for too long and at the wrong angle the body resists the change, tightens up and goes into a "sympathetic" or stressed state, not conducive to making structural change and healing.

Now, I am absolutely not an expert in this, I am still learning but I would wager that I have more experience than anybody else out there at doing this. I don't know all the answers, I may be wrong in my assumptions but I want to share with you all the results I have managed to achieve. Please look at my before and after photos I have attached.

In the picture on the left was I chronically fatigued, in severe pain, had brain fog, a dished in profile, weak chin, jammed skull, facial pallor and a general stressed look on my face. In the photo on the right I was in way less pain, had more energy, was happier, felt better, had more support for my eyes, better facial symmetry, more attractive eye orbits, a wider face, stronger profile and generally look healthier. I have by no means finished my odyssey, I am continuing with NCR once a month, face pulling and expansion ortho with Gerry Smith @ ICNR.com to achieve the round, symmetrical skull, wide arches, all 32 teeth and perfect facial symmetry and great health I have always wanted.

These results are possible, I am living testament to that but it takes time and perseverance with NCR, face pulling, a Weston Price style high nutrient diet with little or no refined foods, correct oral posture, expansion orthodontics with ALF's or similar devices such as Biobloc orthotropics or homeoblocks, a whole body detox of heavy metals and environmental toxins using chelating agents and saunas and positive intention setting. Anything is possible, don't be limited by faulty beliefs and a corrupt system, set the intention and live your reality, break the matrix!

Just as a side note, I am now the only fully qualified NCR therapist in the UK, having been personally trained by Dr Howell at the NCR research institute in San Diego. I am available anytime for treatments in the UK and abroad if needed. I can provide NCR at a much more affordable cost than Dr Howell due to lower overheads. I will also be working in conjunction with Dr Mike Mew in his Purley, London clinic to further develop face pulling with NCR and Biobloc orthotropics and I start dental school in London at King's college all being well in September.

Please feel free to contact me through this forum or at ianhedley1@hotmail.co.uk

Yours in health,

Ian Hedley
Posted by: Complexx
« on: February 04, 2014, 10:51:14 am »

I've had braces for 5 years and got them age 16. I have a pushed back mandible, narrow top and bottom dental arches, and I have proper tounge posture (I've had proper tounge posture since God knows when)

I seriously think that it works both ways... If you undergo FP, NCR, Palate Exoansion without proper tounge posture, you will not receive optimal results. Now, in my case, I feel like since my tounge posture is good everything should go great and I shall receive the best results possible since tounge posture seems to be extremely important. I don't really think that you can get around your entire problem if you're not addressing EVERYTHING. Practicing proper tounge posture without fixing a narrow top or bottom arch will just leave you disappointed & vice versa.

CP: Did you expand your bottom arch considerably width wise?



Posted by: CP
« on: February 03, 2014, 09:20:39 am »

I would like to add my 2 cents here.
I have tried face pulling as outlined in Plato's site and I've tried the crane headgear.

Also I have been expanding my palate using biobloc (Dr. Gibbs patient from Grand Rapids, MI).

Also the whole time I have been performing self-NCR on myself as taught by Ben of this site.

What I now realize was that as a kid I had blocked nose a lot so I was probably mouth breathing often, especially while I slept.
This was the root cause of crooked teeth, and my maxilla falling downwards and not growing horizontal. This is evident when I view my side profile.

I stopped using the crane because I was only wearing while I slept, and I felt it was too unstable to use while I slept, was worried that it was pulling on the maxilla with uneven forces.

Also Plato's facepulling technique gave me some noticeable results at first, like my cheekbones becoming more pronounced. however I stopped seeing changes after a while. this technique seem to slightly bring the whole face forward, not just the maxilla.

With face pulling technique I felt most pressure on the cheekbones during treatment, so it wasn't necessarily bringing the maxilla up and forward in the face, it was pulling on the whole face more.

I was doing all of these technique before I learned about the importance of correct tongue posture...

My current understanding is this, what I need is for my maxilla to come up and forward in the face, because it had dropped back and down as a kid since I resorted to mouth breathing often, this is evident by the fact that I had clogged nostrils a lot.

2 months ago I finally go the biobloc out and I went into light wire braces to align the teeth. I had expanded the palate considerably (for 1.5 years), and reopened the extraction spaces that had been closed by previous orthodontics.

What I am learning now, is that since I expanded the palate, I now have larger nasal passage way, so my nose is way less clogged, this allows me to train to make nose breathing the habit and always keep my mouth closed. Also because of the expansion, I now have the room to rest my tongue on the roof of the mouth.

Gram for gram I read the tongue is the strongest muscle in the body, so I am now using the tongue to push the maxilla up and forward in the face. I am beginning to see subtle results already with this. My guess is that If I continue to habitualize proper tongue posture and become a nose breather, and also as an daily exercise push the maxilla up and forward with the tongue, over time this is how I will get proper maxillary protraction. Also my new tongue posture will stabilize the expansion of the dental arch I gained.

As a kid I never learned to rest my tongue like this, so it will be interesting to see how adopting new posture of the tongue will affect my face at a later age. (I'm 24), As an experiment, through out the day I use my tongue to push on the alveolar ridge to encourage/drive the maxilla up and forward.

Also I am still continuing self-NCR on myself, this treatment may be helping this process a long as well.

Although even with self NCR I feel that I am seeing better results after I became conscious of the importance of keeping mouth closed and tongue on the roof of the mouth. It could be possible that when I first began self NCR 2 years ago,, I was still leaving my mouth open often and it was hindering my progress greatly.

This article below was a big eye opener for me:
http://www.jfdental.com/pdf/article-horizontal-growth.pdf

Dr. Mike Mew in your Craniofacial Dystrophy: Modern Melting Faces presentation you mentioned that your face has become better looking over the past 7 years as a result of adopting proper oral posture which is mouth closed with tongue on the roof of mouth.
and your assistants as well have been seeing positive facial changes as a result of adopting these new postures.

Are you saying that before, you and your assistants used to leave your mouth open as well?

Did you just adopt mouth closed, and tongue on roof of mouth as practice just to see positive facial changes? or were you doing other things? like chewing exercises? since you mention one of the issue is we eat foods that are too soft.

if angle of mandible is slanting down, could an adult reshape the mandible at late age to more horizontal mandible, by adopting proper posture?

for example, did you see changes to your mandible as an adult ? since I see that your mandible is pretty horizontal...

Like you said, if so much can go wrong at late age due to conditions like muscle dystrophy, then by using the muscles of jaw and tongue, we should be able to re-shape the bones to the more ideal design. since I believe bone is more like clay that is moldable.

So if our ancestors had well developed mandibles because they chewed a lot more, then if I was to begin doing a lot more chewing, will I be able to change the bone of lower jaw itself towards more developed jaw? for example, chewing more could cause more bone deposition in the lower jaw and actually make the bone bigger over time? Do you have any experience or insight in this, I'd very much like to see your viewpoint on this.

thanks.
Posted by: rachel
« on: January 22, 2014, 08:26:19 pm »

Dr. Mike Mew --

I commend you for having the balls, curiosity, and integrity to be associated with the Orthodontic Island of Misfit Toys we have going on here.

"The premaxilla is an interesting question, we could discuss it for days but in all the adult skulls that I've seen it is fused as it says in the text books. Also I don't like swartz or DNA or homeoblocks because they are taking up too much of the tongue space and at the end of the day the tongue is one of the major factors that hold the maxilla up and forward. So this is worsening the cause while treating the symptoms- which needs to be minimised."

My tongue is massive and my palate is small and NCR has not fixed any of this.

As noted in a previous post I had an NCR session done after a 6 month break from NCR and I am having very very noticable sensitivity on my infraorbital nerve. This region was noted as being swollen and protruding by my rolfing practitioner after a year of NCR (the only time he was startled and noted something surprising vs. something out of place).
Posted by: Knoppe
« on: January 17, 2014, 01:52:52 am »

Gaia. It's good to hear that you're making progress and that you're seeing results. We've talked before, I'm also a swedish resident who dabbled in self-treatment before getting external help.
Sweden is no doubt one of the worst countries when it comes to health care. We pat ourselves on the back for having "free" healthcare but as soon as it's dental, the cost shoots through the roof. Change is needed. Progress pictures is the first step to help people seek help outside of Sweden so that the orthodontic community is forced to consider other ways of treatment. Starve their business and make them change their ways.  It's a free market and I'll be damned if i allow some punk surgeon or dentist to have their way with my body without giving me any options.
Posted by: Gaia
« on: January 15, 2014, 08:28:18 am »

Seeing some movement in the malar region (which is what I think that you are describing) is not uncommon with expansion, it does depend on the rate, amount and your age.

Is that because the actual mid-suture of the palate expanded though? (As opposed to alveolar bone, teeth tipping, something else.)
I ask this because in Sweden, where I'm from, this debate hasn't even started yet. Doctors here still claim that any expansion in adults is simply teeth tipping. I'm thinking cheek bones coming out might work as some kind of proof that it is in fact the suture. I'm 36 btw and have expanded 1 mm per month, 4.5 mm total.

I intend to post a before and after picture of my cheek in the canine area that came out because of face pulling (separate from the above). Maybe in a couple of days though since I'm currently on a trip.

Again, thanks for checking back here every now and then!
Posted by: Mike Mew
« on: January 15, 2014, 01:08:03 am »

Gaia,

Seeing some movement in the malar region (which is what I think that you are describing) is not uncommon with expansion, it does depend on the rate, amount and your age. I think that talking about the premaxillary suture is a bit of a red herring, I would love it to be open to help me with my treatments, but  it does not stop the teeth anterior (the premaxillary region) from being moved in any direction. I could ask Brendan, he is a good friend of my father but I do think it is of much relevance in the larger picture.

Anyone able to give me more concrete feedback? It would be really usfull.

Mike