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Posted by: MessiahMews
« on: December 11, 2013, 08:55:58 pm »

Hey Donna, from all of those NCR sessions that you have had done professionally, have you noticed any movement in your teeth - particularly have they shifted forward to any discernible degree?

Currently, when I smile I have what I call "no-denture mouth", so named after the sunken in smile of older people who take out their dentures. The rest of my face has expanded so much from NCR and face-pulling that it all looks great and proportional, but my teeth do not seem to want to move in any significant way, and I think that my braces are the culprit. So I am considering just having them removed and hoping that NCR prevents them from going back to being crooked... but I am a bit nervous about that idea, truly.

But who knows. Maybe it will even give them freedom to start shifting along with the other bones, since it seems to me that NCR has been preventing this from the start.

Yes, my entire palate has come forward.  I had the sunken in denture look, but I don't have dentures, nor had braces.

That happened from having been kicked in the face by a horse at age 4.

This before and after was only after TWO sessions in 2012.  The palate came forward in the first session.

Posted by: s
« on: December 11, 2013, 05:27:48 pm »

Tyler,

Have you thought about getting Damon Braces to expand your palate and give you that nice wide 10 tooth smile. I am planning on doing this. Traditional braces push everything in and gives that sunken in smile appearance.
Posted by: Tyler
« on: December 11, 2013, 03:34:13 pm »

Hey Donna, from all of those NCR sessions that you have had done professionally, have you noticed any movement in your teeth - particularly have they shifted forward to any discernible degree?

Currently, when I smile I have what I call "no-denture mouth", so named after the sunken in smile of older people who take out their dentures. The rest of my face has expanded so much from NCR and face-pulling that it all looks great and proportional, but my teeth do not seem to want to move in any significant way, and I think that my braces are the culprit. So I am considering just having them removed and hoping that NCR prevents them from going back to being crooked... but I am a bit nervous about that idea, truly.

But who knows. Maybe it will even give them freedom to start shifting along with the other bones, since it seems to me that NCR has been preventing this from the start.
Posted by: MessiahMews
« on: December 11, 2013, 07:27:32 am »

More facial exercises in one of Carole Maggio's classes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiqMYLoFMF4
Posted by: MessiahMews
« on: December 11, 2013, 07:07:10 am »

I hope that you manage to reveal your jawline to your satisfaction soon. In the meantime, you may wish to try the facial exercise which tones the muscle underneath the chin - Carolyn calls it the "Double Chin Tuck".

To perform it, you must stick your tongue out as far as possible while pushing your chin down against your chest, and do this 5 times for a count of 10. You may need to pull your head back a bit if it sticks out, since this makes the exercise more effective.

I had a very slight double chin myself, which made the shape of my chin less apparent from a profile view. But this exercise helped to reduce the fat in that area, so that my chin now has a more chiseled appearance.

I hope that this helps!

I'm already doing facial exercises, but it's a problem with buccal fat and probable nerve damage.  I do the Carole Maggio nose pump, as she calls it. 
Here's a youtube video of it being performed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcqpjW7P4Pw 

It seems to be a tissue distribution problem too.  Hillary mentioned the small dents in my forehead, due to missing tissue, and she showed me a small area on her, but it doesn't show.  I don't have a double chin, thank God, but do have some lymphedema under my chin.

So I will continue with all the above, but will get the facial contouring to slim down lower face, while doing NCR to keep the bone structure stable.
Posted by: Tyler
« on: December 11, 2013, 06:48:49 am »

I hope that you manage to reveal your jawline to your satisfaction soon. In the meantime, you may wish to try the facial exercise which tones the muscle underneath the chin - Carolyn calls it the "Double Chin Tuck".

To perform it, you must stick your tongue out as far as possible while pushing your chin down against your chest, and do this 5 times for a count of 10. You may need to pull your head back a bit if it sticks out, since this makes the exercise more effective.

I had a very slight double chin myself, which made the shape of my chin less apparent from a profile view. But this exercise helped to reduce the fat in that area, so that my chin now has a more chiseled appearance.

I hope that this helps!
Posted by: MessiahMews
« on: December 11, 2013, 06:42:07 am »

Yeah I'm with Connor, Holy Smokes Messiah!
You look great!
And no way are your cheeks too big, they are super cute. And I'm sure your nose is fine too.

Thanks hon, but NCR has made my nose wider.  I'm kind of ****ed about it.  In the beginning earlier sessions, the nose was fine, but now in pics, afterwards, it's getting wider.  It's already too long and big for my face.  It looks great from the side, but frontal view of it and the buccal fat, is very disheartening.  I do not want surgery, so I'm at a loss.

Regards, the cheeks, I'm referring to my lower cheeks, the buccal fat as they call "hamster" cheeks.  I do not have a distinct definition between the upper checks and lower cheeks (the ones unwanted).  They are obstructing my V-line.  I've always had them, and hated them, and am the only one in my family that has them.  In some people, the buccal fat blend in and runs into jowls and double chins.

Here is my youngest sister and check out those cheeks, and no lower cheek fat.  She's always had that perfect face with the V-shape and perfect Ogee Curve.  We do have the same mother AND father.  lol



I found another gal, that has the same problem with the lower cheeky stuff.  Here's a pic of what I'm talking about. She doesn't like hers either..



I don't want the fat pad removed by surgery, but I want it shrunk with a facial contouring device.  I found the Alma Lasers VShape by Accent Ultra that is for an improved Ogee Curve and V-line.  Thankfully, one of those are close by.

I like my profile SOOOO much better, but the full frontal of my face still leaves a lot to be desired.  I'm looking at TWO more years of NCR.  Have to keep in mind that I'm older than most of you all, so I have to do a tad more than the rest of you.   :D

I'm still dealing with the brow ptosis on the right side.  The right eye did come up with NCR, but that brow is still heavy and dropping on that side.  I have low heavy eyebrows with a heavy muscular wad.  I don't know if it's a damaged nerve, extra tissue or a problem with the frontalis muscle.  I won't do any botox or surgery, because I don't like things added, but don't mind some things taken away (extra fat, for example).

For the time being, I'm doing microdermabrasion, facial exercises with a Dermal Tone EMS type of facial unit.

I am saving up for a profractional C02 full face, eyes and neck lasering, and will do one section at a time.  I'm going to start with forehead and eyes, and then another time do the rest of the lower face.  I have good skin quality thankfully, due to the nutrition, but it seems like I have extra fullness and extra where it is not needed.  it's just so weird, as I can't pinpoint exactly what the problem is, but none of my sisters have any of these problems.  My youngest sister has the best face of all of us, with the best symmetry.

I'm still looking at the Nasofix, as I really don't want surgery for that either.  I like the shape of my nose, but would like the same shape, only smaller.
Posted by: viridian
« on: December 11, 2013, 12:58:42 am »

Yeah I'm with Connor, Holy Smokes Messiah!
You look great!
And no way are your cheeks too big, they are super cute. And I'm sure your nose is fine too.


Posted by: MessiahMews
« on: December 09, 2013, 04:35:56 pm »

Thanks guys!  I wish it would make my nose smaller.  lol

I think I'm going to try that NoseMagic or NasoFix thing which reshapes and decreases the size of the nose.  It is also non-surgical.

My nose looks okay from the profile view, but it too long and big at the bottom from the frontal view.  It bothers me.

I'm still going to go for facial laser resurfacing in two or three months, but I have good topical and internal products to help too.
Posted by: Tyler
« on: December 09, 2013, 10:58:49 am »

Perhaps I can help you to improve your method, Connor. Send me a PM that describes your method in some detail, and if I am able to offer you some suggestions to improve it, I will do so - however before I help you, I have promised to help viridian first.

Also, I agree that you look fabulous, Donna! You appear so much more confident and present now. I am happy that you are making great strides!
Posted by: Connor
« on: December 09, 2013, 10:29:20 am »

Holy smokes Messiah! Huuge difference you look very pretty :). The chin and the cheek bones...just wow! haha and to think that's just from six sessions of only NCR.....kinda makes me wonder about my self treatment which is like over 60 sessions by now...the hell am I doing wrong  :P
Posted by: MessiahMews
« on: December 07, 2013, 04:11:06 pm »

I cannot help but smiling when I read what you have written, Complexx. It is making me blush. And for what it is worth, I truly dislike those terms, as well. They were invented by know-it-all's who care only about defending their supposed knowledge rather than exposing any form of genuine truth, so ironically it is they who are the "quacks" because they are never qualified to explain anything that they attempt to explain with their flimsy logic and reason, making their sentiments as hollow and instinctual as the violent quacking of a mallard duck.

Sadly, I do not have access to my old profile pics anymore. They were all lost when my laptop was ruined. But my face has expanded considerably, yes, and as my maxilla is moved outward, my mandible has moved forward, as well.



If you consider that the maxilla bone is connected to the mandible at the point I indicated with an X, then by moving the maxilla bone forward, you will also draw the mandible bone out. Likewise, when the maxilla is pushed back, I reckon that the mandible will also become jammed back, as well, making the face appear longer. I believe that this is why Plato says that face-pulling will cause the mandible to "swing out".

My face, overall, has not shortened considerably, although with NCR and face-pulling working in tandem, my skull goes through periods of shortening and lengthening as it strives toward the ideal. When I face-pull, my face is inclined to become shorter since my lower jaw moves in the way I described in the previous paragraph; however, when I perform NCR, my skull expands in all directions, which causes my skull to obtain the same length that it had before. In time, I predict that my face will, relatively speaking, appear shorter since I can tell its width still has a ways to go, meanwhile I think its length has come close to the end of its expansion.

As for the muscles that you are talking about, I am not certain if they have grown or developed significantly. The back of my jaw has increased more significantly in width than my teeth, which makes the rear area more apparent when viewed from the front, and probably contributes to the chiseled look. As my mandible has moved out from a V-shape to take the optimal U-shape, the muscles have moved out and perhaps get more exercise now, too.

I also took another picture for you, this time having pulled my hair back so you can clearly see the shape of my entire face - and about face exercises, I can confirm that they work. I am using Carolyns Facial Fitness method, which you can find here: http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/. The results are quite dramatic, particularly on somebody who is older than myself, so I encourage you to check out her web site! Also, if you will consider passing the CD along once to somebody else once you have mastered the exercises, I will send my copy of the CD to you, provided you are willing to pay for the shipping costs since I cannot afford that currently. I live in southern Ontario.

Tyler, it's so great to see you back posting again.  And your face is very much different than before.

I do the Carole Maggio Facercise which is a great facial workout.  I may order the facial exercises from Carolyn too, and work them in with the Facercise ones.  I also have a Dermal Tone, which is now discontinued.  Sometimes, those can be found on eBay.

I think you can still get un-used units from this site...
The Dermal Tone Facial technique has been successfully used in clinics and beauty salons worldwide for over 40 years. It was originally developed in Europe by a team of doctors and physicists for the medical application in the potential treatment of facial paralysis and Bell's palsy. These units were designed to exercise muscles fast, effectively and safely.
The old Dermal Tone site is down, because they discontinued it, so you can get it from this site.
http://www.beautifulskinforlife.com/
Click on the Non-Surgical Facelift Exerciser

Here is a profile pic of me.  The first one was during the 3rd NCR session.  The second one on the right, is after SIX NCR session.  A huge difference, just 3 more sessions make.  I intend to do NCR for a couple of more years, then it's maintenance thereafter.

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Posted by: Chromeo
« on: December 06, 2013, 08:18:28 pm »

Thanks for the explanation regarding your NCR regime Tyler :) That's interesting that you repeat the process so many times in each turbinate. I'm going to try that from now on. By the way, I have also found that doing some face exercises before I do NCR helps as it seems to warm up my face and relax the muscles more. It is like the balloon goes deeper in the turbinate when I have done the exercises before doing NCR. I do something called the face yoga method by Fumiko Takatsu and especially focus on the exercises for the jaw and neck. http://faceyogamethod.com/blog. You can find her videos on youtube also.

Posted by: Tyler
« on: December 05, 2013, 05:40:13 pm »

Before I go to bed, I want to say that I have been shown a mistake that I made today, so I will not place any conditions on giving you the facial fitness CD, Complexx. I will be happy if it manages to help you like it has helped me, so I will consider that payment enough.
Posted by: viridian
« on: December 05, 2013, 03:59:32 pm »

Hi Tyler,

Wow you look really great. Thanks for posting photos of yourself and being so open about the process, it really helps.
And I also enjoy reading your insight into the 'energetic' aspects of it all. So don't let the critical part of your mind put them down.

I have been facepulling, but still haven't managed to get the gist of self-NCR. So I think my face is becoming slightly unbalanced. ie. The lower part of the face is filling out a little more, but it feels as if the upper part is a bit tight.
I just can't seem to figure out how to get to the turbinites properly and I get stupidly freaked out.
Have been thinking of getting a couple of professional sessions with someone. There is no one who does NCR near me, but I did discover that some people call it 'Nasal Specific' and amazingly there is someone listed in my city.