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Posted by: MeltedFace
« on: July 08, 2017, 08:17:02 pm »

The facts remain that we don't have MANY studies, examples, etc. with good documentation or techniques and while we know what's needed, getting there is very experimental aside from maybe what Mike Mew is doing - and even HE admits to still testing things for adults
Posted by: TheGreatWork
« on: July 08, 2017, 10:45:14 am »

Yeah, that was my point. You cant apply forces in the right direction, right force, correct amount, forget about it. Neither you know them, nor you will do them. I have been saying this on every second post I make but I want to avoid anyone hurting himself, wanna know how I dislocated my jaw? Simply from chewing gum, neither it was long, nor it was wrong. I had been doing it for 40 minutes and it happened. You dont want to be in the place of tmd sufferer, believe me. But do what you want, cant save immature heads

Getting your jaw dislocated by chewing gum is an incredibly unique case, you've got something wrong with your jaw that most of the population doesn't need to worry about. You should take special precaution with everything you do, because your situation is messed up. Anyone who has such problems should take extra caution. You clearly didn't, because the jaw doesn't simply dislocate while chewing without clear discomfort beforehand - what you were doing was wrong. Those whose jaws function correctly can take less caution, and stop to rest when they feel discomfort.

Just because your situation is preventing your growth, don't be like a crab-in-the-bucket where you want everyone else to stop trying. We're figuring out the right direction, force, and amount of force to get correct growth. Multiple people here and elsewhere have said 30-40 minutes a day is the maximum to be pulling, and you shouldn't pull when you feel pain. And an upwards and forwards direction produces results, and coupling everything here with mewing/endonasal improves results dramatically. And others are seeing 5+mm of palate expansion with devices.

And you want us to stop because you injured yourself, as if that now has to be everyone else's problem. That's silly



Posted by: TheNo0n3
« on: July 08, 2017, 10:23:10 am »

Yeah, that was my point. You cant apply forces in the right direction, right force, correct amount, forget about it. Neither you know them, nor you will do them. I have been saying this on every second post I make but I want to avoid anyone hurting himself, wanna know how I dislocated my jaw? Simply from chewing gum, neither it was long, nor it was wrong. I had been doing it for 40 minutes and it happened. You dont want to be in the place of tmd sufferer, believe me. But do what you want, cant save immature heads
Posted by: TheGreatWork
« on: July 08, 2017, 09:01:06 am »

I just want to note that this thread was going great until Betterbytheday showed up and started casting unreasonable doubt on everything. Even to the point of saying that the posterior of the tongue pushing the hard palate is bad for your gonial angle, which we know is not true.

I think it's viable to completely ignore anything betterbytheday said, their situation seems to be completely unique and their facial deterioration cannot be explained by facepulling or mewing

Any other progress updates, if anyone from this thread is still here?
Oh man, seriously f*ck off, the first time there was this other guy who flamed on BetterByTheDay's post and I was too lazy to comment, but now that there are two of you delusional ignorant souls I cant hold it. First of all there are only two testimonials with pictures of people who did belt facepulling and I havent seen the smile of both of them, neither has anyone who did face pulling talked about it. Have you seen what happens with the teeth when u expand the jaw in the course of 3 months? They look like abandoned wooden fence. So how do you think they are going to look when expanding and changing the whole skull in the course of 2 weeks. Have you seen people with bruxism and their teeth? They are half sunken in the gums, same with the belt, so I hope you understand that u just cant do this and to look perfect without having any professional work done. I dont know for how much time u have been into the topic but there are a lot of people who are pulling on the wrong places with wrong force and get all different results that are not what really is expected and there is no going back. Something else, someone once wrote that when pulling he felt his jaw more relaxed but after some time the sensation disappeared, so he though that maybe that is how the jaw is supposed to really be. Well, no, as strangely as it sounds it is because of dislocation of the TMJ, the lack of alignement of the TMJ can not only cause pain, but can also cause relaxation, something by which the people conducting the studies were very amazed by. And believe me, you dont want TMD, nothing is worth it. And what he was saying was truth, claiming power in the beginning was to help people, after that he was about the money. And honestly the only person who looked better after the face pulling with the hockey mask was patient zero, the others are just delusional seeing things that are not there and imo looking much worse with huge assymetry, sunken eyes because they have pulled the bone out of the eye support and so on. These things are hell and everybody is trapped in the torturing of his own mind, myself included, but at least dont be delusional and dumb about it.

You wrote a lot but didn't really say anything. If someone does the practice incorrectly, they will have incorrect results. Forces applied in the correct direction, in the correct amounts, produce correct results. An up and forward maxilla will always look better than a down/back one
Posted by: TheNo0n3
« on: July 08, 2017, 05:49:45 am »

I just want to note that this thread was going great until Betterbytheday showed up and started casting unreasonable doubt on everything. Even to the point of saying that the posterior of the tongue pushing the hard palate is bad for your gonial angle, which we know is not true.

I think it's viable to completely ignore anything betterbytheday said, their situation seems to be completely unique and their facial deterioration cannot be explained by facepulling or mewing

Any other progress updates, if anyone from this thread is still here?
Oh man, seriously f*ck off, the first time there was this other guy who flamed on BetterByTheDay's post and I was too lazy to comment, but now that there are two of you delusional ignorant souls I cant hold it. First of all there are only two testimonials with pictures of people who did belt facepulling and I havent seen the smile of both of them, neither has anyone who did face pulling talked about it. Have you seen what happens with the teeth when u expand the jaw in the course of 3 months? They look like abandoned wooden fence. So how do you think they are going to look when expanding and changing the whole skull in the course of 2 weeks. Have you seen people with bruxism and their teeth? They are half sunken in the gums, same with the belt, so I hope you understand that u just cant do this and to look perfect without having any professional work done. I dont know for how much time u have been into the topic but there are a lot of people who are pulling on the wrong places with wrong force and get all different results that are not what really is expected and there is no going back. Something else, someone once wrote that when pulling he felt his jaw more relaxed but after some time the sensation disappeared, so he though that maybe that is how the jaw is supposed to really be. Well, no, as strangely as it sounds it is because of dislocation of the TMJ, the lack of alignement of the TMJ can not only cause pain, but can also cause relaxation, something by which the people conducting the studies were very amazed by. And believe me, you dont want TMD, nothing is worth it. And what he was saying was truth, claiming power in the beginning was to help people, after that he was about the money. And honestly the only person who looked better after the face pulling with the hockey mask was patient zero, the others are just delusional seeing things that are not there and imo looking much worse with huge assymetry, sunken eyes because they have pulled the bone out of the eye support and so on. These things are hell and everybody is trapped in the torturing of his own mind, myself included, but at least dont be delusional and dumb about it.
Posted by: TheGreatWork
« on: July 07, 2017, 03:36:30 pm »

I just want to note that this thread was going great until Betterbytheday showed up and started casting unreasonable doubt on everything. Even to the point of saying that the posterior of the tongue pushing the hard palate is bad for your gonial angle, which we know is not true.

I think it's viable to completely ignore anything betterbytheday said, their situation seems to be completely unique and their facial deterioration cannot be explained by facepulling or mewing

Any other progress updates, if anyone from this thread is still here?
Posted by: Ryan
« on: October 21, 2016, 12:26:49 am »

Hi bob,

I've not been using a tower , but basically I believe it is the same as using a belt (Which i am using)..

Basically you bite on the towel, as deep as you can so your back molars are biting them, and you pull in a direction that is in between forward (away from your face) and upward. That way you are pulling your whole maxilla up and fowards . The amount of time or interval people do this, varies. You could start doing it like 10 times a day for 30 minutes and look in the mirror after these days and see if you see any minor difference. Just be sure to study and remember your face well, since some people might not see differences just because they don't know their face well enough. Face pulling and such goes slowly, but (at least to me) the results after a while are really worth it. They will motivate you to deep doing it!
Posted by: bob
« on: October 18, 2016, 06:41:10 am »

Hey, I was just wonering exactly how do you use a towel to face pull? I've been trying it and I feel like i've been doing it wrong.
Posted by: Betterbytheday
« on: September 14, 2016, 08:22:29 am »

Thanks for the replies guys, QuantumLookMaxer I've noticed ive been mouth breathing at night and this has been probably the biggest culprit. I struggle with this because ive actually had a turbinate reduction which caused symptoms of ENS(empty nose syndrome). Im a unique case because if I were to expand my upper jaw for cosmetic reasons and to broaden my cheekbones it would make my nasal airway even more empty. This is one thing that makes me hesitant for getting ncr mainly cause I dont want to tamper with my nasal airway and risk making the symptoms worse.

Another thing was Mewing, imo getting the rear of the tongue to the back of the palate burns through your gonial angle because the muscles just under your jaw contract and have got no where to go (since your jaw is already narrow). Just like when you open your mouth with a fixed head posture your jaw swings back into your thoat and it feels uncomfortable, over time the gonial angle would remodel around the airway. Mew himself described this with the mew push swallow. Looking back I should've just kept with it though

I'll try to maintain good oral posture and try some mild pulling with my bicuspids
Posted by: QuantumLookMaxer
« on: September 13, 2016, 05:39:13 pm »

Also, try biting down on a towel with your anterior teeth only as far back as the 2nd bicuspids. This might reverse the biting with the second molars you were doing. Just a thought.
Posted by: Allnicc12
« on: September 12, 2016, 11:27:02 pm »

I agree, NCR or self NCR if u can do right, Bens instructions are pretty good, but NCR to loosen up the joints along with pressure from tongue on top of the palatte is all youll need, but accept itll take time and not quick fix but the results will be pretty much permanent, main reason people relapse is simply because their tongue isnt holding the new shape in position after NCR has been applied.
Posted by: QuantumLookMaxer
« on: September 12, 2016, 05:19:42 pm »

Yeah, your face actually does look a little more feminine in the after pic.

NCR might help you some, but not likely to fix your problem by itself. I would advise just get back to basics. Teeth together, lips together, tongue on the roof of the mouth. Breathe through your nose. Most facial lengthening is tied to not breathing through the nose. You might be subtly mouth breathing. If you keep your lips sealed, and breath through the nose you may find it to be uncomfortable, but just be mindful of the discomfort and continue breathing through the nose.

You seem to be very anxious about your situation, try some mindfulness meditation, it might help you out.

If you were able to f yourself up that quickly, you should be able to fix yourself equally easily. Just focus intently on the basics.
Posted by: Betterbytheday
« on: September 11, 2016, 08:00:33 am »

Ive tried taking the pics from a more straighter angle to highlight the jaw change. This vertical growth pattern has continued even though i've stopped and I've tried to ignore but it keeps growing like this I want to make it stop but I don't know how. It just amazes me how much i've changed in face shape over 1 month. Its like my face has melted away. :-\ Ive lost my masculinity. I feel like people treat me differently. It messes with your mind. Im usually quite tough to deal with this but its **** me over in so many ways. I feel depressed and feel constantly fatigued.  Ive lost weight from this and feel really stressed out and I haven't been to the gym in weeks. My face is so much more feminine.

Would NCR give me any benefits? Is there anyway I can apply force to reverse it? I'm thinking of getting jaw surgery and be done with this once and for all. Surely If I had changed this quick in a negative way I should be able to reverse it and change back in the same time.

http://imgur.com/a/Zmhub

http://imgur.com/a/pnORi
Posted by: Allnicc12
« on: September 04, 2016, 11:55:56 pm »

I really would try and keep things as simple here, perform self ncr along with mewing ie keep your tongue in the upper pallett, if u cant do that then learn it, the reasons ppl will relapse after ncr is because there not keeping the skull position in place via the tongue, u dont even need to beltpull or facepull anyway since mewing is doing the same thing, ncr will provide the stimilus for suture seperation but its down to the your natural retainer ie your tongue to solidify the new position, stop looking in the mirror for changes, jus ncr and mew and let nature and time do the rest, changes for the better will happen but takes years not days and months, am only now geting favourable changes and its taken 2 years of mewing.
Posted by: MJON
« on: September 02, 2016, 03:30:21 pm »

Betterbytheday in a way I agree with you, by checking these sorts of forums all the time I've become a lot more introverted, and similar to you in that I'm obsessed with the idea that everyone is now judging my facial structure. So even though I definitely need something done, until then I am trying to just get on with my life and think positively. I'm saving up and working towards my goal of being pain free and happy with my appearance, but there is definitely no point getting upset in the time being, it's just making things worse.