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Posted by: KatGoddess
« on: September 08, 2018, 12:39:58 pm »

Hello everyone
I just discovered NCR today.
I was absolutely in awe!
I couldn't stop reading about it and trying to find out more and more
then I found you..
Im stoked to be here!


Love Kat
Posted by: mariblu
« on: December 28, 2016, 07:42:13 am »

Hello,
I'm an Italian living in London.
I've just found out today that skull changes are feasible without surgery.

thank you for this helpful forum.
Posted by: Woohoo068
« on: September 22, 2016, 02:26:24 am »

Hi everyone I'm a newbie :)

I'm seeing Andre Hedger for palate expansion well from October treatment should start.

I'm in the uk

What a great forum it's so nice to read all the posts!
Posted by: angelo22
« on: September 10, 2016, 05:21:55 am »

Hello!
I'm so glad I found this forum! Information is quite lacking and, aside from Dr. Mew's work, some stuff I found online looked a little unrealistic, if not dangerous.

About me... I'm a 21 year old male from Italy and I found out about NCR and this forum from Mike Mew's research.
I am an odontology student so this is all very important to me, and I'd love to become knowledgeable in Orthotropics in the future!
And of course, I'd love to improve my health / appearance :D
I hope I can find the information I'm looking for here, and be helpful as well :)
Posted by: Ryan
« on: March 10, 2016, 04:18:47 am »

Hi marie!
I always forget to look in the introduction topic. But I welcome you and hope you achieve what you are looking for. Have you already started with your plan?
Posted by: marie
« on: February 23, 2016, 12:04:27 pm »

Hey everyone, I'm marie, just an average high school junior w/ braces.  My main goal is to get rid of my weak chin w/ chewing and face pulling by the end of high school.  Wish me luck!  Sending good vibes to everyone!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: MikeyG
« on: November 27, 2014, 10:05:39 pm »

Hi everyone!

I first want to say, that I am extremely grateful for the people here and for this website. I have suffered from mouth breathing and nose congestion throughout my entire life. I am now 27. Because of this, I am depressed about my facial appearance. I always knew something was never right in my face but never could pin point exactly why.  After watching a video from Dr. Mike Mew it is crystal clear why. I have everything he described, that being flat cheek bones, long face, receding chin, big nose, and a weak jawline. I would post a photo, but I don't feel comfortable doing so. Maybe I will privately to users who can help me.

After watching Dr. Mew's videos it gave me hope and I started searching methods and found out that face pulling seems to be showing the most results. I would like assistance on creating a pulling device or if any one has simple thumb pulling methods I'd greatly appreciate it. I am planning on getting an online consultation with Dr. Mew, but so far from all his videos, he pretty much has described what needs to be done. But at this point I am desperate and would like his opinion.

I currently have been chewing hard gum, eating harder foods, and go every week to have ROLFING done (which has dramatically changed my posture for the better) Interesting enough, she did something similar to face pulling. She did at one point stick her thumbs in my mouth and pulled. I don't remember which direction exactly, and she also pulled around my cheeks. But she was doing it for different reasons. Not for Maxilla growth.

So I'm here for guidance and help. I'm very sure I can bring back the face that has been hiding under my vertical face growth.

I am determined and fortunately since I work mostly at home, I can wear any crazy contraption pretty much all day.

I am grateful for everyone's input and experiences.
I thank you all.
Mike
Posted by: feelthefuel
« on: November 26, 2014, 03:26:59 am »

Hello! Apologies for my poor English as I'm not a native speaker.
Finding this forum and and endulging myself with all it's information has been like a ray of light breaking through a brickwall of despair and I would very much like to thank everyone who has contributed.

Over the past few years I have been feeling very self conscious about my appearance to the point where it's made it impossible for me to look even my own family members in the eye let alone going to social events and approaching new people. I always look tired and unhappy, my face sags and my smile reminds me of a scene in the Simpsons where mr. Burns' smile scares a bus load of school children who refer to him as the boogeymans grandfather. I tried losing weight, I practiced smiling in front of the mirror, tried sucking in my cheeks to make my features seem more pronounced. Nothing worked but clearly something was wrong. This all changed after I saw a picture of me and my friends. I despise the idea of having my picture taken (the only reason why I don't have any social media profiles) but seeing myself from another persons perspective the problem was obvious.

The left side of my face is flatter than the right, my jaw is crooked and I have a receding chin. Luckily this appears to be "self inflected" damage with poor tongue posture as my arches are round and of pretty normal width and I have never had any teeth pulled out. The only orthodontic work I had as a kid was this nightguard which was used to push my front teeth up in to my gums as a cure for a deep bite. And I don't recall ever being a mouth breather.

The effects of poor tongue posture are even more evident when you look at my teeth. My back teeth have worn down to just basically gums due to my palate dropping down. My upper front teeth are pointing directly down and my a half of my bottom front teeth are pointing slightly backwards. Kinda like the left side of my mandible wanted to go forward but my upper front teeth wouldn't allow it, causing the bending.

I honestly didn't get any sleep last night due to the sheer excitement for finding the cure and knowing the parts of my face pulling mechanism are in the mail right now just brings butterflies to my stomach. And feeling a light sense of pressure all over my midface for keeping my teeth together, lips together, tongue on the roof of my mouth just feels awesome in a strange way. Which surprisingly happens very naturally for me.

I am also very interested in self ncr and I would be eternally grateful to anyone willing to help me find the protocol. I found the link to Bens site but it appears to be disabled leaving me to wonder if the paypal payment unlocks the information here: http://web.archive.org/web/20131214022817/http://www.cranialtherapies.org/my-cr-protocol.html

Apparently it took me so long to type this that the site logged me off.
Sorry.
Posted by: rik
« on: November 26, 2014, 03:22:30 am »

Hello! Apologies for my poor English as I'm not a native speaker.
Finding this forum and and endulging myself with all it's information has been like a ray of light breaking through a brickwall of despair and I would very much like to thank everyone who has contributed.

Over the past few years I have been feeling very self conscious about my appearance to the point where it's made it impossible for me to look even my own family members in the eye let alone going to social events and approaching new people. I always look tired and unhappy, my face sags and my smile reminds me of a scene in the Simpsons where mr. Burns' smile scares a bus load of school children who refer to him as the boogeymans grandfather. I tried losing weight, I practiced smiling in front of the mirror, tried sucking in my cheeks to make my features seem more pronounced. Nothing worked but clearly something was wrong. This all changed after I saw a picture of me and my friends. I despise the idea of having my picture taken (the only reason why I don't have any social media profiles) but seeing myself from another persons perspective the problem was obvious.

The left side of my face is flatter than the right, my jaw is crooked and I have a receding chin. Luckily this appears to be "self inflected" damage with poor tongue posture as my arches are round and of pretty normal width and I have never had any teeth pulled out. The only orthodontic work I had as a kid was this nightguard which was used to push my front teeth up in to my gums as a cure for a deep bite. And I don't recall ever being a mouth breather.

The effects of poor tongue posture are even more evident when you look at my teeth. My back teeth have worn down to just basically gums due to my palate dropping down. My upper front teeth are pointing directly down and my a half of my bottom front teeth are pointing slightly backwards. Kinda like the left side of my mandible wanted to go forward but my upper front teeth wouldn't allow it, causing the bending.

I honestly didn't get any sleep last night due to the sheer excitement for finding the cure and knowing the parts of my face pulling mechanism are in the mail right now just brings butterflies to my stomach. And feeling a light sense of pressure all over my midface for keeping my teeth together, lips together, tongue on the roof of my mouth just feels awesome in a strange way. Which surprisingly happens very naturally for me.

I am also very interested in self ncr and I would be eternally grateful to anyone willing to help me find the protocol. I found the link to Bens site but it appears to be disabled leaving me to wonder if the paypal payment unlocks the information here: http://web.archive.org/web/20131214022817/http://www.cranialtherapies.org/my-cr-protocol.html
Posted by: MessiahMews
« on: November 13, 2014, 12:09:27 am »

Hello Zoe,

I see that no one's replied, so I can only give you my experience.

My teeth too, are sorry.  My face was messed up due to a horse kicking me in the face as a young child.  About age 3 or 4, and I, too, blame my mom, because she left me at home by myself to go next door.  So she wasn't watching me.

My face had always had a dish-faced look and it was especially apparent in high school.  From the front, it looked okay, but not from the profile view.

Well, fast forward to 2012, I had my first NCR session with Doc Hillary Lampers, ND.  The palate came forward that first day.   My face is so different than what it used to be.  Also since 2009, I kept falling on ice and falling flat on my back hitting my head on the deck, TWICE.  And another time I fell on ice, but I had padding on, and it didn't seem to hurt.

With an already collapsed face, it seemed to get longer and narrower, but yet, my mandible is short and it was really jammed back into the condyles.

Here is a before and after showing my improvement from 3 years of NCR....



The eyes are covered, because they are real distracting.  Before no makeup and after with full makeup.
Posted by: Wirerose
« on: September 27, 2014, 09:07:30 am »

Hello!
I am Zoe, nice to meet you. I am a complete newbie when it comes to NCR and whatnot, don't laugh at me, promise? :)

Anyway, why am I here?
I am here because my face is EXTREMELY asymmetrical, and beyond that, I believe that the fundamentals of NCR might help relieve it to some degree in the future. My face is asymmetrical to a noticeable and immense degree, to the point where I look almost deformed in some photographs. The two sides of my face look super different, in terms of eyelids, eye size, under eyes, cheek bones, forehead, jaw etc etc...
This is because my mum is a psychopath. So, I have had a traumatic life so far, including countless illnesses exacerbated by my mum's non presence and non care in addition to malnutrition because children don't need food right?

It was bad.

So what is the state of things, and what can I do about it?

My teeth are in  a sorry state. More teeth were removed from the right side than the left causing a relative facial collapse. This was completely avoidable but my mother decided to let me be in agony for months instead.
So I think two implants on the right side will help support my facial structure and reduce the rate of collapse. It is feasible that my left side would catch up with my right if I only put implants in the right.

I have an overbite/overjet, untreated because children don't need care right? And I cannot treat it, because the NHS in England won't  cover it, and I cannot afford it.  This causes my upper lips to protrude, and the incisor protrusion is not uniform causing my upper lip to look asymmetrical. To fix this I would have to line up the two front incisors somehow. Any ideas? Fixing this, and the implants, might cause my nostrils to level out a bit.

Facial collapse on one side can cause a deviation of the septum, which has happened, and may have been exacerbated by nasal congestion in the past. I can't do anything about this right now. Though I know there are ways to deal with that in the future. 

And what does NCR have to do with this?

Well, I have noticed that my forehead is not leveled, that is to say the right side of my forehead has a bump and is jutting out somewhat. I think this is partly responsible for the differences in eye size, and eye lids.

I wonder if my mum dropped on my head as a baby and told no one? I wouldn't put it past her.

Anyway, so my reasoning is that if NCR allows cranial movement, and this bump is not natural, my forehead and subsequently my eyelids might level out. This would be a small gain in symmetry, and every little helps in my case.

The problem might be the overjet, if the maxilla moves forward, and my mandible doesn't move to suit, it could get worse?

So:
implants + future braces (including flaring of lower teeth, and expansion of upper palate) + NCR = improvement?

That's the idea anyway. What do you guys think?

I have attached a picture below so you can get a rosy tinted view of the asymmetry, but I would never let you see me not smiling, for I do not have the guts.

Posted by: Badgerlife
« on: August 31, 2014, 08:24:46 am »

Hello to everyone,

My name is Bee and I am so excited I found this website! I come here almost everyday to see if there are any new post, this is by far one of my favorite sites.

Anyhow, let me make a long story short. When I was eighteen I had my bicuspids removed, headgear, and braces. They kept the braces on for almost three to four years, yikes. I guess you don't know what you don't know. After they took off the braces I did not see a problem, if anything I thought I looked better. I did notice after a few years that my nasal labial folds looked weird, deep lines and my smile was quite small. Fast forward ten years later, now I really see the damage. Oh my goodness, the horror of looking in the mirror, the dreadful feelings and regrets!!

I have loads of issues now, the neck pain, the grinding (teeth worn down), the ear problems, the visual issues, breathing...what is breathing? My maxillae looks caved in like someone punched in my mouth, high mandible, increased lower facial height, bags under my eyes, no cheek bones, small lips, open bite from tongue thrusting (not enough room for my tongue). I could go on and on but you get the picture.

I don't even want to socialize with people, I dislike the way I look, I appear to look older than I am. My chin is about to hit the floor. It looks like my mandible is on a vertical slant, I have so much room on the side of my cheeks (three fingers can fit in there), that is how narrow my upper palate is.

I went to see a TMJ specialist and he had me go around in circles, getting MRIs and medical test to just come up empty handed. His best suggestion was....get ready... to remove four more teeth! His theory was: remove the wisdom teeth and the open bite will close. After thousands of dollars later, that was the best he could come up with.

Previous to that I had other consultations but got no where. So, I had enough and went on this eight month journey of non stop searching. In the process that is how I found this site, Mike/John Mew, Plato/Kevin, Claiming Power, Dr. Hang, Dr. Smith, Ian Hedley, Dr Howell, the list could go on and on.

Anyone have any suggestions on what step to take next? I started Myofunctional therapy and currently I am seeing Dr. Gerald H. Smith, we might start the ALF due to cranial distortions. Anyone care to comment on Dr. Gerald H. Smith? I heard he is excellent and has a good reputation. I would love to hear any feedback that you guys might have.

P.S. Will face pulling make the open bite worse? My maxillae looks like it could come forward loads.

Thank you all,

Bee   ;D


Posted by: rockclimbg892
« on: February 11, 2014, 03:29:45 pm »

Hi MessiahMew,

Thank you for welcoming me. Like I said before, I really appreciate this forum. I feel that I may have found the reason behind some problems that I didn't even know I had and thought they were just a part of who I am. That I would always feel abnormal or uncomfortable in my body.  It wasnt until i started researching about this problem of having extractions that i found out about other people with the same stories and who have positive experiences with HOLISTIC treatments. I think it's important to emphasize the word holistic because messing with any part of your body often has effects and consequenced on other parts of your body that you may not even realize. For example, I'm almost 100% certain that having the premolar and wisdom tooth extractions has affected my breathing greatly and led to anxiety. I can't exactly prove this but i think I just feel uncomfortable all the time because i cant breathe as well. Especially, in serious situations. I cant talk for a long period of time without having to take a huge gasp of air and I feel hard to communicate in those moments.

I haven't purchased any equipment yet, like a helmet or mouth guard but I believe that I will soon. I have also made an appointment with a regular doctor to see what they would suggest about my face and the breathing. I don't expect them to be holistic as they are from a regular hospital but am hoping that they'll refer me to a specialist.
@MessiahMew, I have seen your photos of the changes in your profile after NCR therapy and it really looks stunning. I can't believe that much progress has been made. Congratulations! :) I can relate to you on having my teeth be affected by my parents but I think if they were educated about this it would have been prevented. I still get so angry with my mom about this though. I have been trying what you do, with just pushing at my back molars to go forward with my fingers and I feel a little bit of progress and more space for my tongue. I'm not sure what exactly the results will be for me, as I don't want it to look like I have a gap when I smile.

@MessiahMew, I'm also sorry to hear about your father's cancer. Thank you for sharing that. I think it's so important to let people know about that. My mom was thinking about getting dental implants and now I am even more sure that it's not a good idea. And also, thank you for the input on snap on veneers. It's the first time I've heard of it.

I'm really glad I found this forum!
Posted by: Matt91
« on: February 10, 2014, 05:22:25 am »

Just in case people find me 'weird' hanging around here, and missed my first post...

I'm basically looking to NCR for a resolution to my non-specific learning troubles, which are somewhat atypical in relation to the 'standard' ones, i.e ADHD, but nonetheless pretty crippling for any more complicated tasks.

I was delivered via rather panicked forceps, which I believe to be the source of the problem, rather than neurotoxicity from vaccines and all, as is often cited as the premier suspect on the alternative health blogs on the web. I didn't really have any vaccines, bar a couple, and under different conditions to the norm.
Posted by: MessiahMews
« on: February 07, 2014, 08:54:44 pm »

Welcome to the forum Ian and Rachel!

It will take me a LONG time for 50 NCR series, considering I have to pay nearly the same amount for travel expenses as the NCR itself.  My face still needs ALOT of work.  Nose is still too big, mouth (lips) too small, and undeveloped mandible, and unfortunately too many missing teeth, thanks to ignorant parents who took me to medical idiots that ruined my mouth at a young age.

In order to do it myself, I'm going to have to take the EndoNasal Cranial Correction version from Jesse Jutkovitz, since the training costs are much less.

@Rachel.  I can relate to crying at what my face could have been.  I'm still very upset over it, although I've had 7 NCR sessions, and have had much improvement.  My NCR doctor (Hillary Lampers, ND) does not do the Face Max as some of the other NCR doctors are now doing.  I think she's had the training, but just doesn't want to use it with her clients/patients.

So in between sessions, I just use my fingers and push out in the same direction as shown on Plato's site and put them in the same area as the wires would have been.  I've been getting results with that. 

I would love to have palate expansion done, but there are no practitioners nearby that offers that either.  To fill in gaps, I want to use the SnapOnVeeners, as I feel the same as Rachel about metal implants in my mouth.  My dad had implants and he ended up getting cancer not long afterwards, so it is a NON solution for me.  My only hope is that the stem cell teeth would be coming in the near future.